Your thoughts on these tires? [Archive]

DennisAJC

05-08-2005, 05:47 AM

Hey guys,

Changing out my tires in a few weeks and been doing some reasearch. BFGoodrich has a new "MOAB" Edition MT tire. It touts excellent on or off-road behaviour even on snow and ice in comparison to the regular BFG M/Ts which are not rated so well on wet pavement. It's apparently new to the market but mabye someone here has them already to post some kind of review. Thanks.

http://www.epinions.com/auto-Tires-All-BF_Goodrich_Moab_Edition_MT/display_~full_specs

DennisAJC

05-08-2005, 05:47 AM

Thai

05-08-2005, 10:28 AM

That's strange...this "edition" is not even on the BFG website nor in it's newsroom:

http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgapp/news/archives/PR_Archive_2005.jsp

DRTYFN

05-08-2005, 02:14 PM

Hmmm... MOAB Edition. They must know my hot button right now.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

After having MTRs(great tires, but one always seems to wear faster than the others) and Iroks(amazing off-roading tires, but with 3/5 tread left they are very noisy and nearly impossible to balance without taping a brick in the wheel) I think I'm going to give these a shot:
http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_lines/off_road/opmt.html
They'll soon be available in a 35x12.50x17.
Any opinions?

DennisAJC

05-08-2005, 02:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
That's strange...this "edition" is not even on the BFG website nor in it's newsroom:

http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgapp/news/archives/PR_Archive_2005.jsp </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes that is weird. Not even a mention. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

It does mention promotional testing during an EJS event. Mabye this was their end result.

hummerNCO

05-08-2005, 04:18 PM

I've been reading all the posts here that I could find about tires and eyeing the pictures for the past month trying to decide what I'll buy next. I still have the stock A/T's with 30k and they have plenty of tread for now but I'd like to go to a 37".

I really lik the look of the IROKs on DRTYFN's truck but I do a lot of driving between LA and Tahoe so I don't think I want tires that are noisy and hard to balance. It looks like I keep going back to either the BFG A/T or MT.

I do so much of my driving in the rain in LA and the snow in Tahoe that I think the A/T may be the better choice but when driving in some rocky terrain around Reno my stock A/T's got some good gouges in the sides. Does the A/T tend to gouge easily compared to others?

The MOAB edition of the MT sounds like it would be just the ticket if it really exists. That Toyo Open Country MT looks great but the only 37 for the 17" wheel listed is 37X13.5 and from all I've read here that's too wide for stock.

Hey DRTYFN do you prefer to run 35"? I'm curious what your opinion is of 35 vs 37.

I'll be looking for future posts from you guys on the MOAB BFG MT and the Toyo Open Country MT if you get them.

DennisAJC

05-08-2005, 07:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
Looks like a regular BFG MT, I doubt they would actually make a different version of the same tire, but you never know. The BFG MT is a well respected tire with a good rep. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what bothers me too. Why advertise here...

http://www.epinions.com/auto-Tires-All-BF_Goodrich_Moab_Edition_MT/display_~full_specs

...and not have it on the product line up on BFG's site? I'm going to be making some calls tommorrow. I'll post any findings. Like NCO, I think these will be the perfect tire for me also.

As for the photo, I think they used the photo of the regular BFG M/T.

tower

05-08-2005, 07:10 PM

Dennis et.al.,

Are you sure these are sill in production? The only review I saw was from 2000. The only difference I saw was a softer compound. For Ice, I would want siping.

If you look here:

http://www.carreview.com/Tires/BF+Goodrich/MPL_149_1577crx.aspx

they don't even list a price. If you are really interested in these, you might want to call BFG tomorrow. This sounds like a red herring.

This article implies that no such beast exists:

http://www.fourwheeler.com/techarticles/47858/

"BFG’s engineers told us that the new Mud-Terrain T/A KM offers the same, or better, traction in the rocks when compared to the now defunct Radial Mud-Terrain T/A Moab Edition tire. We drool over the traction possibilities of a Mud-Terrain T/A KM Moab Edition, but alas, we were informed that this idea isn’t in the works at this time."

DRTYFN

05-08-2005, 11:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hummerNCO:
I do so much of my driving in the rain in LA and the snow in Tahoe that I think the A/T may be the better choice but when driving in some rocky terrain around Reno my stock A/T's got some good gouges in the sides. Does the A/T tend to gouge easily compared to others?

Hey DRTYFN do you prefer to run 35"? I'm curious what your opinion is of 35 vs 37.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You might want to go with the BFG A/Ts. But you could step up a size to 37x12.50x17. Since you'll be driving in rain and snow you should consider having your tires siped. I had my stock tires siped and they were simply amazing on wet roads, snow and ice covered roads. Try to get it done at a Les Schwab (http://www.lesschwab.com/popups/store_locator/FlashMap.asp) store.

Plus, we all know that Dennis beat Potato Salad with his stock tires.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I love the look of the 37s vs the 35s. I'm going to buy a set of the Toyos in 35x12.50x17 only because the 37s only come in 13.50 wide. Too wide for stock wheels and stock height.

timgco

05-08-2005, 11:51 PM

Dennis, What's up brotha?

I had those 37 BFG MT's on my 03 and put around 4,000 miles on them. Than I switched them to my 05 and have about 4,000 on them. They are doing great for tread life.

My review: They kick ass in the dirt and on slickrock. On the road, they are a little louder, but not by much. Now I have had them in a couple of storms. One that was snow/ ice and they sucked. I had a better chance steering a boat on the road on that given day. Now in the last storm we had 12" or so of just snow (no ice) and they were GREAT! As for every day driving, I do notice a little less power with the 37's... could be my imagination. When I do it all over again, I would go with the BFG MT's again, have them siped, and would go back to a 35" tire on an 18" rim. I do prefer the look of the bigger tire (37"), but I think they stuffed more than the 35" tire in Moab. Nothing to the point were I did any damage, but still scraped the fender wells out a little.
Good luck bud.
Tim.

DennisAJC

05-09-2005, 12:01 AM

Tim,

Aboot 8 inches bro! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Seems like everyone is in agreement that these tires don't exsist or short lived.

I'll probably be going with yours as originally planned or the stock A/T 37s.

BTW, Can you update your SUT picks. Or has your baby stayed reletively the same?

ROX

05-09-2005, 03:12 AM

I've used the BFG MT on 3 trucks now and have really liked them for the Northwest. I think they handle fine in the Rain. If you get in snow very often, have them siped. I especially like them in the mud. (which we have in abundance) I got stock sizes, 35x12.5x17 to keep my horsepower from going to the rubber instead of the trailer. The 35's went everywhere the rigs with 37's did in Moab, but you did Potato Salad, with stock AT's. (You were The Man on that one. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif) I disagree with Drty; I have had great luck with these wearing evenly and they stay balanced. I think he should rotate his tires once in a while if they wear unevenly. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
I have a set of Cooper Discoverer AT on another rig, and they are crap. The tread is great, but they won't stay balanced.
Since I said all that, I'm thinking of changing wheels and tires again as well. I'm changing my rims for some with more bling, and I'm thinking of going with the Toyo Muds like Phil and so many others. I just need to find someone that's had them out in the NW muck to see if they work like I'd like them to.
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Have you considered the GoodYear MTR? They only come in 18 inch wheel sizes and bigger.
Good Luck!

tower

05-09-2005, 05:00 AM

DRTY,

Les Schwab is only in the northern part of CA.

Anyone,

Do you know who does a good job of siping in So Cal?

Dennis,

I guess you'll need to settle for a Moab T-**** or something. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DennisAJC

05-09-2005, 05:16 AM

I want the one that says, " I **** a brick in Moab." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm probably going with the BFG M/Ts as originally discussed with Tim.

After my rig is all done up, you won't be able to tell mine or DRTY's apart!.....NOT! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

timgco

05-09-2005, 12:28 PM

ROX

05-09-2005, 12:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
Have you considered the GoodYear MTR? They only come in 18 inch wheel sizes and bigger.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>MT/R's come in 17" rim sizes. Most probably the the first after market tire to go on to an H2 on a stock rim was a 37x12.50x17 MT/R. Another very very well respected tire that is as tough as nails. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow Phil! I was going to get a set but they didn't have them in stock sizes! Maybe they were on backorder or something cuz I looked. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Dennis: That just aint' right. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

DRTYFN

05-09-2005, 01:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Tim,

Aboot 8 inches bro! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Metric conversion equals about 2.7 English inches.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Maybe I'll move to Canada... I could measure mine in meters.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
I disagree with Drty; I have had great luck with these wearing evenly and they stay balanced.

Have you considered the GoodYear MTR? They only come in 18 inch wheel sizes and bigger.
Good Luck! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was talking about my Iroks. On average they took 10 oz. each to balance, one needed 22 oz. on one side and 12.5 oz. on the other. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

The MTRs come in all kinds of sizes. (http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Wrangler+MT%2FR&mrktarea=Light+Truck)

The MTRs are EXPENSIVE right now. $300+ I've been quoted up to $350 each. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

lexpro

05-09-2005, 06:22 PM

DRTY,,,i ran my 35" Mud Countrys through the trails and mud (didnt have any rocks)last week at General Sam's offroad park and they did the trick....i think you will like them.

KenP

05-10-2005, 02:51 AM

Interesting, none of you mentioned the Nitto Terra's. Just as well. After this last trip to Paragon I realized how bad they clog. While we all had mud issues, it seemed these stuffed themselves in every mud hole and stayed that way all day.

Yes, I actually paid attention to the tires... Except when you-know-who was driving. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'd stay away from them if you deal with mud.

hummerNCO

05-10-2005, 09:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
You might want to go with the BFG A/Ts. But you could step up a size to 37x12.50x17. Since you'll be driving in rain and snow you should consider having your tires siped. I had my stock tires siped and they were simply amazing on wet roads, snow and ice covered roads. Try to get it done at a Les Schwab (http://www.lesschwab.com/popups/store_locator/FlashMap.asp) store.

Plus, we all know that Dennis beat Potato Salad with his stock tires.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I love the look of the 37s vs the 35s. I'm going to buy a set of the Toyos in 35x12.50x17 only because the 37s only come in 13.50 wide. Too wide for stock wheels and stock height. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the input. Yup, sounds like the 37" BFG A/Ts are best for me. I can cruise down to the Sacramento area easily enough from Tahoe to get the Les Schwab sipe treatment. That sounds like a great idea for my needs.

Cranky Steve

05-14-2005, 04:37 AM

http://www.rocknroll4x4.com/images/upload/tire.gif

Who knows what these are??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ROX

05-15-2005, 08:39 PM

OOOO!!!

OOO!

I know!

They're Tires! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

TBarrow

05-16-2005, 03:25 AM

I have the MT/R's with 51,xxx miles on them now and they still have tread left. keep'em rotated and balanced and properly inflated on the road and they will last.

Dan

05-16-2005, 09:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cranky Steve:
http://www.rocknroll4x4.com/images/upload/tire.gif

Who knows what these are??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They're PitBull Rockers:

http://www.ok4wd.com/product.asp?id=599

http://www.pitbulltires.com/index_02.php

http://pitbulltires.com/pbfullpagead10042.pdf

MTs:
http://coloradok5.com/MADDOGtiresmall.jpg

ATs:
http://coloradok5.com/GROWLERtiresmall.jpg

DRTYFN

05-16-2005, 01:49 PM

Looks like they only like the extra wide tires. 13.50, 14.50 and 16.50- nice on rock buggies and 'neck trucks, but not stock height vehicles.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DRTYFN

07-26-2005, 02:38 PM

So my MTRs are wearing down and I wanted to have a new set of tires for Moab. (I'm not going to use my Iroks for this trip) I ordered a set of Toyo Open Country MTs in 35x12.50x17.
They are the same size(if not an itsy bit bigger) as my 37x12.50x17 MTRs.
I'm going to have them put on today or tomorrow.
Sorry, but all I had was my phone for pictures.

DennisAJC

07-26-2005, 02:42 PM

*******. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Still waiting on mine. Trucker strike down here.

Anyone interested in some BFG M/T's? 95% tread left. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DRTYFN

07-26-2005, 02:44 PM

Yeah, anybody want my 60% MTRs? The spare is 95%. Cheap cheap!

timgco

07-26-2005, 02:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I ordered a set of Toyo Open Country MTs in 35x12.50x17.
They are the same size(if not an itsy bit bigger) as my 37x12.50x17 MTRs.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif So you got 35's and they are the same size as your 37's? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

H2Finally

07-26-2005, 02:53 PM

I've just switched to the 37" MT/Rs. A little louder than stock (55mph up), rougher ride at low speeds, no performance lag that I noticed, and definitely looks BETTER than the stock ATs!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyone have a used 5th for sale for my spare? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

H2Finally

07-26-2005, 02:54 PM

Damn, just read your 95% spare available Drty! How much?!! Can I pick it up in Moab?? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ROX

07-27-2005, 12:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
*******. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Still waiting on mine. Trucker strike down here.

Anyone interested in some BFG M/T's? 95% tread left. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Flaming ******* is more like it! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif OOOhhh, I forgot, that position is already taken by that lovely avatar. my apologeeeeez. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

OldHiker

07-27-2005, 01:04 AM

Ordered the MT/R's yesterday over the net from Discount Tire. Got a call today, the country is backordered and none at the factory.

Anybody know who's got the 37"?

PARAGON

07-27-2005, 01:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by oldhiker:
Ordered the MT/R's yesterday over the net from Discount Tire. Got a call today, the country is backordered and none at the factory.

Anybody know who's got the 37"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I do!!!!

Oh, you mean some place selling them. Good luck! Best I did was find a set of 5 that made it through the system and were entered incorrectly in the computer and the cost was entered as the retail and they made me pay $185/each and that included the shipping from Ohio.

Sorry, just rubbing it in a little. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif