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Lemon Law: H3 is the most unreliable car I've ever owned!
I love everything about the H3....except the motor! Unfortunately the motor is a pretty important part :rolleyes: The long and short of this story is that I am filing a complaint with GM under CA state "Lemon Law."
Since we bought the car in November we have had to replace the valves and head....THREE TIMES!! Over $10k in repairs :eek: Apparantly there is no solution for this problem...only temporary fixes. I would love to believe the lovely people at the dealer, but I'll leave it up to the courts to decide that. A message to GM. Quit cutting corners. You had everything right in this vehicle...until you decided to put an underpowered Colorado pickup truck motor in it. Do some research...find some innovative technologies...try to at least compete with the foreign markets. It's no wonder GM is billions in debt. They are too concerned with rushing things to market that their reliability is seriously lacking. We know you have the ability to make great vehicles (Corvette C6 Z06). As for me, GM is paying me back for this POS and I'm going to the Nissan dealer to buy an Xterra with a big beefy V6. Then I'll take the extra money and maybe go on a vacation ;) The ONLY way I will come back to the H3 is if a small, lightweight turbo-diesel motor finds its way under the hood :D If anyone else is experiencing the same problems as me, please be VERY skeptical of what the dealer tells you. After the second failure the dealer claimed it was a different problem. They "adjusted the spark plugs" and I was on my way. Took it to a DIFFERENT dealer the next day and sure enough...the valves were bad, there was a compression leak, and the head had to be replaced. The first dealer increased the idle revs to cover up the problem. |
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Thanks for posting this crap as your first, and hopefully only, post.:rolleyes: |
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Ok...I don't mean to be a bitch (ok..maybe I do)..but STFU. You're gonna post THAT as your first post!? Why even join the forum if you're getting rid of it?:rolleyes:
If anyone here has a right to bitch about their H3..I think I would qualify. However, even w/ as many problems I've had with the H3, I'll still own one. Weather it's mine or a another one. It's still a bad ass truck..so get rid of your POS and buy an FJ....the KY cruiser seems like it would suit you better anyway.:rolleyes: |
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wonder if he even owns an H3...sounds like a troll
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Sounds like a dealer related issue. |
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The girl has it right skinner. What are you doing here? I'm sorry to hear that you've had a bad time with your H3 but if you expected people to commiserate with you about this... well... it ain't gonna happen here. Goodby little skinner, enjoy your YupTerra. |
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Damn...don't take it personally. I was posting this message to address a problem...not to start a like/dislike war. If there are people out there with the same issue this may be useful to them. And honestly I have no idea why the Colorado owners dont have the same problem, but the fact remains that it is the same motor. It could be the combination of small motor, heavy truck, and all-time AWD. But this is not the purpose of this post. A new vehicle should not have these problems...period. I agree, the H3 is an awesome "mid-size SUV" (but by no means a badass "truck"). It has awesome offroad ability...when it works. But we can all agree that is underpowered.
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Oh my God you guys are defensive! Yes I'm an H3 owner. Yes this was my first post. Yes I am pissed my H3 keeps breaking. No this is not a dealer related issue (its been to 3 different ones because I thought the same thing). You guys sound like I insulted one of your children...lol |
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Okay...so you want to "help" people that might be having the same problems...fine. But you DEFINATELY didn't come across that way in your first post. You sounded like the typical troll who wants to bitch and whine about Hummers.
Yes...the H3 IS underpowed..but did you not notice that when you test drove it? Why DID you buy it the first place? |
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Well, in a sense you did. Had you come to us when your truck started having issues perhaps we could have helped. There are many experts and GM insiders here. Instead you came and told us how things had been bad and that you were leaving: Quote:
Perhaps if you were saying that things had been rough but GM was giving you a new truck... Enjoy the YupTerra. Good Luck. |
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I bought it cuz the pros outweighed the cons. I was willing to deal with the sluggishness. I loved the ride, look, and suspension. Plus, this was for my wife...and she loved it. It just frustrates the hell out of me when dealers keep giving me the run around. $30k on a car and this shouldn't happen. The reason I made the Xterra analogy is because they are more reliable cars. The H3 is absolutely SUPERIOR offroad...but this is primarily a daily driver. And I'm to the point now where dealership visits are almost a monthly occurance.
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If GM really does "FIX" the problem....and I mean a real fix, as in never happening again, then we will keep the H3. But so far it has been "fixed" 3 times! I just want something reliable...thats all.
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Ok..fair enough. But you, like me, sound like you got a "jinxed" truck. Look how many H3 owners ARE NOT having issues with theirs. You say that you like everything about the truck...and you were willing to deal w/ the sluggishness...why not just get another one? There are always kinks to work with new market vehicles....just how it goes.
PS: what was YOUR build date? If you want to help...you really should let everyone know this as well. |
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Is GM willing to give you a NEW H3 to replace your current truck? If they offered to would you be willing to give it another try? If the answer is YES to both then lets talk. If the answers are YES and then NO... well, what do you honestly expect?
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If I had your experience I would do the lemon law claim and have GM take the H3 back if they would.
I think your problem is with the dealer. Is there any way to get a whole new long block engine (block, crank, rods head etc) from GM not a dealer fix? |
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I haven't heard back from GM, but according to CA Lemon Law I am entitled to a new vehicle, or a complete refund minus "usage fees." Since there is only 10k miles on the truck this amounts to 5% of the purchase price. Of course I wish none of this ever happened. Maybe this is a "jinxed truck"...but I have heard other people with the same problem. I am unsure of the build date, but the truck was purchased back in October. As I mentioned before I would be willing to stick with the H3 if I was Guaranteed, by GM, that this problem was solved. A guarantee from a dealer means nothing.
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Skinner....Check your PM's.
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Maybe you can get a 2007 model with the 3.7L engine :)
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Would all three dealerships be getting parts from the same place? As I mentioned before I was skeptical of the first dealer...so its been taken to different ones. Hopefully #3 knows what they're doing. |
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Its probable that the parts are coming from the same distribution center, provided the dealers fall into the same distribution region. I imagine that its more the dealer than the parts. |
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We're sensitive because we want GM to succeed with the H3 and a gripe posted here gets magnified way out of proportion by people considering buying one. Actually, there are surprisingly few significant H3 problems reported here, especially considering its the H3's first model year.
I agree with the poster that said you have an (unintended) dealer service problem; three head rebuilds says they're trying hard to make you happy. Clearly your underlying problem has been grossly misdiagnosed. Sounds like they keeps fixing the symptoms but hasn't found the cause. They need to find a solid Vortec engine specialist. Does your service dept. have any GM truck engine experience? My dealer sells Hummer and Cadillac...they had zero experience with the H3 engine. But face it, your headline IS true troll bait. You can find similar horror stories on the forums for virtually any make. |
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Demand a new engine not a dealer's rebuilt one
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Holy Cow! What a lovely way to introduce yourself!:eek:
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Ok ok...Skinner....you fooked up. Pledge your allegiance to the T&A and all will be forgiven and you may start anew. ;) :p
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Hummer Div should send in a master tech to fix it if the dealer cannot. get a line on the area service person outside the dealer. Do your homework and get on the phone. oh and quit whineeeeeeee ing
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It's all be said before but I think...
1. you started out all wrong here, lesson learned I hope. 2. Your repairs are the problem, not the whole engine H3 combo 3. You may have a jinxed truck since this is not a common problem. |
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Interesting, I would like to know what's been replaced/fixed so far.
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i have 8500 miles on mine and am over 1000 miles from the nearest dealer, so I was really nervous when i brought my h3 home last year and have been pleasantly reassured ever since! fortunately, i have not had any engine related issues at all. (knock on wood or errrr plastic)
at our project here, we have a handful of the chevy colorado trucks with the same engine as the h3 and they have also proven to be extremely reliable. sounds to me like you just got a jinxed vehicle. it's not your fault, but it isnt our fault either. take em to court, get your money. go buy whatever you want. as nice as the xterras are, they are still xterras. if it was me, i would buy another h3. :) |
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Forgot one other comment:
What I have experienced and gained through other people's experience is that the H3 is way way above and beyond expectations on first year vehicles. The biggest proof is that they sell like crazy and the 2007's have very minor changes from the 2006's - except for the X bling thing! |
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Three heads and they haven't dropped a new engine in? I'd have to say something is defective on the block side. But I'm no expert.
As agravated as you are with this take it up a level. |
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WAH! ...WAH!
I'd be pissed too, however the logical solution, as mentioned, is to be calm, friendly, and supportive of the H3. Coming in here loaded and angry (remember, merlot and elcova don't mix) is not really a good way to get this problem solved faster. I bet you're going to spend a while on the Lemon Law, and reject an offer on a new H3 in bold ignorance, and just wind up out $10K and with no friends. Consider your options carefully... |
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How could you be out 10K???
Why would you have to pay for anything???:confused: |
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Oh, please! Who wouldn't be pissed off after having their H3 in the dealer for three head jobs in one year? Every one of you would be cussing up one side and down the other on this forum.
After the first head job, GM should have given this person a new engine, a late model one that had been run in at the plant. GM knows they had head problems on the early engines. Didn't they have bunch of soft valve guides? Skinner, you may want to rethink your Xterra decision. That has got to be one of the worst riding trucks on the planet. It found bumps you couldn't even see. I couldn't wait to get out. Plus it is a bit of a high school kid's car anyway. Also in an offroad test I read, it couldn't make it up the hill climb, while the other 4x4s could. The suspension was so stiff, there was no articulation, and it couldn't get traction. If I were you, I would negotiate a nice new shiny H3, a 2007, with the 3.7L. Car makers always have a lot of bugs worked out by the second year. Twist their arm to give it to you at no cost. Michael |
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There's a joke in here somewhere, but I'm too drunk to think of it right now... |
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Hell, I'd be ecstatic if I got 3 headjobs in one year..........:D 23 yrs of marriage will do that to a guy. |
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Uh I think that's another type of job...
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I'm also drunk and smell a troll. indicated by the stupid effin reference to how great an Xterra is. I really think his dad should yank his three hour internet privilege so he could finish his homework. the world has enough idiots.
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headjobs, blxxjobs, snowjobs.... If only we could get to the facts here, assuming there are some.
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