Attn: gun experts

[Racer-X]

Originally Posted by MarineHawk

Ditto. No service handgun cartridge has as much proven knockdown power as the .40 S&W with the possible exception of the 125 gr .357 Mag. See, e.g., http://www.chuckhawks.com/readers_ch...cartridges.htm

So two votes for the 40 cal. and I'm a fan of S&W.


Alec, ROFLMAO!

[dеiтайожни]

Fine, if you want to brush off the rules of the ghetto I provided you with, at least remember to sprinkle crack on anyone you put down.

[Racer-X]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

Fine, if you want to brush off the rules of the ghetto I provided you with, at least remember to sprinkle crack on anyone you put down.

[Racer-X]

Quote: California law has a gray area, a de facto quasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY, however, a clear exception exists. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND it is registered to you AND you are not a gang member (yes, there is a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest, then concealed carry is a misdemeanor. A typical fine is $200.


SWEET!

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Originally Posted by Racer-X

So two votes for the 40 cal. and I'm a fan of S&W.


Alec, ROFLMAO!

I'll go with another vote for the .40, but have to say, unless a person hits the target, even a .50 won't be effective. People knock 9s, but they are used worldwide, and sure do the job of killing someone; with the right ammo.
Military complains about the 9, but they are confined to full metal jacket rounds. Not mentioned so far (I have not read the entire thread) is ammo.
Make sure to use a reliable hollow point ammo (except in NJ, where it was illegal, probably still is).
And as others have said, practice, and I don't mean going to the range and shooting a paper target. Get some defensive shooting lessons from a reliable training facility; moving targets, sitting, close in, night, etc.
Oh, and never trust what a COP says, and even if in writing. Get the scoop from the local prosecutor, he/she is the one who decides will be prosecuted. Not sure about CA laws, but some states do have an affirmative defense clause in the law.
If you get a license, also consider liability insurance. NRA offers some on their website from a third party insurance company and it is good to have, and reasonable in price. Remember, most states do not have laws that protect your from a civil suit if little Johnnie's mom wants to sue, even after little Johnnie shot at your a half-dozen times, and you only shot back in self-defense. I would hazard to guess that CA does not have this law.

[TXSUT]

Racer, maybe I missed something, but I'm a bit confused. You say you would never shoot someone to protect your personal property, and that you won't draw your weapon on someone who has a gun pointed at you. If that is the case, then what good is carrying a handgun going to do you? What is the scenario where you can see yourself using it?

I own several handguns in .40 and .45 for defensive purposes, and unlike DRTY, I feel less felt recoil (and thus more accurate follow-up shots) with my .45s. Generally speaking, the downside to the .45 is that in equivalent handgun sizes, when compared to the .40, you're going to wind up with less capacity. I'm also pretty fond of my Sig Sauer 229 chambered in .357Sig.

Respectfully,

Pete

P.S. Marinehawk and Paragon have given excellent advice thus far, be sure you're not just skimming through their posts if you are serious about carrying a handgun.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by TXSUT

Racer, maybe I missed something, but I'm a bit confused. You say you would never shoot someone to protect your personal property, and that you won't draw your weapon on someone who has a gun pointed at you. If that is the case, then what good is carrying a handgun going to do you? What is the scenario where you can see yourself using it?

I own several handguns in .40 and .45 for defensive purposes, and unlike DRTY, I feel less felt recoil (and thus more accurate follow-up shots) with my .45s. Generally speaking, the downside to the .45 is that in equivalent handgun sizes, when compared to the .40, you're going to wind up with less capacity. I'm also pretty fond of my Sig Sauer 229 chambered in .357Sig.

Respectfully,

Pete

P.S. Marinehawk and Paragon have given excellent advice thus far, be sure you're not just skimming through their posts if you are serious about carrying a handgun.

Ahh, but there is now the Springfield XD .45 ACP that I want to go molest. Good ole .45ACP but with 14 round capacity.

American Rifleman will name it handgun of the year tomorrow.

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Ahh, but there is now the Springfield XD .45 ACP that I want to go molest. Good ole .45ACP but with 14 round capacity.

I've got the .40 cal version. And, for some reason, I often shoot better with it than any of my other .40s.

[TXSUT]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Ahh, but there is now the Springfield XD .45 ACP that I want to go molest. Good ole .45ACP but with 14 round capacity.

American Rifleman will name it handgun of the year tomorrow.

I got my magazine in the mail yesterday, and it was named as such. Not coincidentally, I'll be buying one tomorrow afternoon.

Still though, it's larger than the XD .40 (but not by much).

[Fubar]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Ahh, but there is now the Springfield XD .45 ACP that I want to go molest. Good ole .45ACP but with 14 round capacity.

American Rifleman will name it handgun of the year tomorrow.

Caliber: .45 ACP
Capacity: 13 + 1
Barrel: 4.04"
Sights: Dovetail front & rear (steel)
Size: 30 ozs. w/ mag., 7.25" overall length
Trigger Pull: 5.5 to 7.7 lbs. Ultra Safety Assurance (USATM) action trigger system
Magazines: 2 Stainless Steel 13 rd., easy glide magazines

Very nice

[H2 Ranger]

I would adjust the trigger pull and add in Aimpoint but then again I would probally go with "PETER STAHL" from the start.

[PARAGON]

Here we go. A 10" long 4lb monster gun. Why not carry a Desert Eagle .50 AE and not have to worry about the extra rounds.

And the last thing I would do would be to put a laser aiming device on it.

[Racer-X]

Originally Posted by TXSUT

Racer, maybe I missed something, but I'm a bit confused. You say you would never shoot someone to protect your personal property, and that you won't draw your weapon on someone who has a gun pointed at you. If that is the case, then what good is carrying a handgun going to do you? What is the scenario where you can see yourself using it?

Well, I said I wouldn't draw my weapon if someone had a gun pointed at me because my thought was that makes you dead - Not because I wouldn't shoot someone if I felt my life in danger.

Scenario I would use it? About 15 years ago I was working in da hood with my brother. I was inside doing some work and my brother was outside. I looked out the front and a guy had a gun pointed at my brother. I looked to the owner and told her to call 911 and walked outside, maybe it wasn't the smartest move, but hey, it was my little brother. As it turned out he was not willing to use the gun and two of us intimidated him and he backed off and walked away.

On the flip side of that, all 3 of us lived. If I had had a gun I may not be able to say that.

EDT, armed security is of course the ideal solution. However, I can't see a security company working with me on such a limited basis (about 2 hour every couple of months) without much notice. I could be wrong.