JK vs H3

[darebren]

Originally Posted by KenP

That Jeep was chopped in that pic.

of course, it's just a joke.. and anyone who wants a decent comfortable interior, and way better than average off road ability, will go with the H3. the best off road ability in the Jk comes with cheap seats and more rattles and wind noise than you can shake a stick at...

i think these threads are funny.. hope no one is taking it seriously.. jeesh

[HummerNewbie]

Originally Posted by darebren

of course, it's just a joke.. and anyone who wants a decent comfortable interior, and way better than average off road ability, will go with the H3. the best off road ability in the Jk comes with cheap seats and more rattles and wind noise than you can shake a stick at...

i think these threads are funny.. hope no one is taking it seriously.. jeesh

You definitely hit the nail on the head about the interior part but not necessarily on the best off road ability part. Sure you can go out and mod a JK cheaper but aren't we talking stock versus stock straight out of the box. If you want a highly modified trail rig then an older Jeep would be the way to go but from my understanding that is not what we are talking about here.

BTW, I for one do not take this too seriously so GFY

[darebren]

i wonder how nice the new LR@ from landrover will be? looks like the range rover body style, and they always have great interiors.. but are pricey, and very costly to modify,not alot of aftermarket support either..

p.s., i'm married, so i always have to F my self.. it's the only way after 13 years..!

[BlueTJCO]

Originally Posted by darebren

i wonder how nice the new LR@ from landrover will be? looks like the range rover body style, and they always have great interiors.. but are pricey, and very costly to modify,not alot of aftermarket support either..

p.s., i'm married, so i always have to F my self.. it's the only way after 13 years..!

I have never been on a trail to date and seen a Land Rover struggle. They seem to do well out here........Thers is Plenty of aftermarket support, it's just damn expensive!

[Nextlife]

Well, I've owned and built 3 different TJ's (one Rubicon 2 door) before I bought an H3 adv/lux. The H3 is a nicer rig no doubt. It doesn't rattle, the interior is way beyond what a wrangler offers. I've been following the JK though.

Trail rides aside, If rockcrawling ( a fast growing sport) is your thing, you'd best go the JK. The JK (rubi ed.) was flattly designed for this in mind. The jeep engineers listened to the jeep owner's thoughts on how to make the TJ better and they really did a great job on the JK. You'll never see an H3 make it through the Hammer's in JV. You'll see tons of JKs there in no time flat. With a simple swap of coils (4 lift) and shocks basically on the JK you can stuff in 37" tires! Jeeps are easier to re-gear (and find gears) for those tires too! There's other things, nothing really hangs below the frame rails now on JKs, the gas tank has been relocated, frame is even stronger now. Longer control arms will help it climb and articulate much better than the TJ did. Front locker too.

However, if you go JK, you'll never get the same ride of an IFS front rig, and you'll never see a wrangler with leather from the factory! The H3 is a very capable 4x4, but just isn't designed with rockcrawling (Hammer's style) in mind, even with a lift. Its wider, longer and the front diff (lacking a locker too) just isn't strong enough in my opinion for that kind of abuse. I can't imagine lifting a H3 onto 37" tires, and trying to do heavy rockcrawling, that front diff will pop fairly easy, and easier if you regear (pinion will get weak with a regear due to size). Throw in a front locker and those 37" tires, i'd bet it busts on the first foot tall rock you try to climb. It wasn't designed for that. They may solve this with the H3 alpha from what others are saying though.

I'll never part with my H3 (except for an alpha!). Its just too nice of a ride, no rattles, nice interior and still plenty capable to get me through nasty snowy/icy roads. It beats the crap out of any landrover, yota, BMW, Porche, lexus, Merc, and even jeep grand! But in the very serious rockcrawling world, you can't beat a Wrangler, you just don't get some of the creature features like leather and the buff hummer look. I also can't stand the new fenders on the JK. Lost on the retro look I guess.

[PARAGON]

Here ya go, for those that seem somewhat confused on the specs of the 2.

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/jeep/wrangler/100782109/VehicleComparison;jsessionid=FdBMQ1NQBvX4Q6J3F47pC p0VFWbFJlJRXPZhC3ZxLGZC7QtvWy6f!1259065661?basesty leid=100782109&styleid=100761083&styleid=100688147 &maxvehicles=5&refid=&op=3&tab=specs

[BlueTJCO]

Originally Posted by Nextlife

Well, I've owned and built 3 different TJ's (one Rubicon 2 door) before I bought an H3 adv/lux. The H3 is a nicer rig no doubt. It doesn't rattle, the interior is way beyond what a wrangler offers. I've been following the JK though.

Trail rides aside, If rockcrawling ( a fast growing sport) is your thing, you'd best go the JK. The JK (rubi ed.) was flattly designed for this in mind. The jeep engineers listened to the jeep owner's thoughts on how to make the TJ better and they really did a great job on the JK. You'll never see an H3 make it through the Hammer's in JV. You'll see tons of JKs there in no time flat. With a simple swap of coils (4 lift) and shocks basically on the JK you can stuff in 37" tires! Jeeps are easier to re-gear (and find gears) for those tires too! There's other things, nothing really hangs below the frame rails now on JKs, the gas tank has been relocated, frame is even stronger now. Longer control arms will help it climb and articulate much better than the TJ did. Front locker too.

However, if you go JK, you'll never get the same ride of an IFS front rig, and you'll never see a wrangler with leather from the factory! The H3 is a very capable 4x4, but just isn't designed with rockcrawling (Hammer's style) in mind, even with a lift. Its wider, longer and the front diff (lacking a locker too) just isn't strong enough in my opinion for that kind of abuse. I can't imagine lifting a H3 onto 37" tires, and trying to do heavy rockcrawling, that front diff will pop fairly easy, and easier if you regear (pinion will get weak with a regear due to size). Throw in a front locker and those 37" tires, i'd bet it busts on the first foot tall rock you try to climb. It wasn't designed for that. They may solve this with the H3 alpha from what others are saying though.

I'll never part with my H3 (except for an alpha!). Its just too nice of a ride, no rattles, nice interior and still plenty capable to get me through nasty snowy/icy roads. It beats the crap out of any landrover, yota, BMW, Porche, lexus, Merc, and even jeep grand! But in the very serious rockcrawling world, you can't beat a Wrangler, you just don't get some of the creature features like leather and the buff hummer look. I also can't stand the new fenders on the JK. Lost on the retro look I guess.

dammmmmnnnnn, I like you....Thanks for the reading

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Originally Posted by Mooncricket

dammmmmnnnnn, I like you....Thanks for the reading

Aww, I think he's in love!

Anyway, any moron who picks the a Jeep over the H3... If you want a rock crawler, save yourself some money, and go buy an old or already mod'd Jeep. There are PLENTY to go around...

And there is NO way the Grand Cherokee has a better interior than the H3. The rear seat is a great example. It's like a park bench. And forget about putting anything in there, the roof is too slanted.

But this is off topic. Back on topic, I believe I need to go drive a new Wrangler to see what it's really like. My prediction is it will ride like crap, and no matter how good it is on the trail, it's on-road performance will make it extremely unfriendly. A Hummer is designed to mix the best of both worlds, and that's the way I like it. It's a more awesome trail rig in that respect because it is the all-in-one. Sure, you compromise somewhere, but you come out with a great all around package. You can get there comfortably, go just about anywhere with comfy leather seats, a great sound system, lots of room for junk, and then point home and have a very composed, easy to drive vehicle on the highway. No loud noise, bouncy suspension, etc.

And no one will follow you expecting you're the MC some gay pride parade!

[BlueTJCO]

Originally Posted by HummerNewbie

You definitely hit the nail on the head about the interior part but not necessarily on the best off road ability part. Sure you can go out and mod a JK cheaper but aren't we talking stock versus stock straight out of the box. If you want a highly modified trail rig then an older Jeep would be the way to go but from my understanding that is not what we are talking about here.

BTW, I for one do not take this too seriously so GFY

An OLDER MODIFIED JEEP WILL NOT KEEP UP WITH AN UPDATED TJ and will NOT be as capable as a JK............The TJ is leaps and bounds ahead of the CJ or YJ or any of the older style, leaf sprung jeeps

Now that is modifed or stock........