GUN safety training course

[CO Hummer]

First of all - you should carry, you should get your own gun, and you should practice a TON.


But most important --- Think of the great conversions you could have at your tea parties.

"Hey, did you see those new Gucci handbags that just came out?".

"No, but check out this Glock. I could cap you Mo Fos right now........"

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If you have to pull and shoot to save your life, you don't have time to obtain a sight through handgun sights anyway. You have to learn to shoot at chest level for those times, sights are not practical.

[PARAGON]

see the front post, be the front post, become one with the front post

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Originally Posted by PhilD

Possibly, almost certainly if they are top of you, but that's why you practice shooting from retention. However, there are times when not taking a sight picture can have disastrous results, especially if a hostage or innocent becomes the backstop. I personally would not shoot from retention any further 2-3 yds, anything over that and they will be in my sights when they are engaged.A vast amount of it is about about practice, when the SHTF you will do what you practice.

Not talking about a hostage situation, don't believe most civilians would be put into that situation and if they were, they would be unequipped to handle it correctly. Hostage situations do require a sight picture and one hell of a steady hand.
As for innocents behind the intended target, that has to be taken into consideration, but shooting at the chest of a grown man, ten feet away, at chest level is not a hard thing to do. (Been there and done that.)

What I was implying is that under most situations a civilian will encounter, the time to obtain a perfect sight picture is not in the equation.

As for practice, I could not agree more. It is extremely important since muscle memory will be what makes you hit the target. However, I do tell people don't go out to a range, sight in on a target, fire off 50 rounds and go home. If that is all a person does, when the sh*t hits the fan, that is what they will do and it may not be fast enough. Fire off 50 rounds at chest level, and when you get good enough, and it is safe enough, draw and fire at chest level; fire while running back against the strong arm side of the shooter, learn to shoot from cover. Heck, take the time to walk through your own house and find areas it would be safe to shoot from such as a wall with a refridge on the other side, or a stove, something stronger than plaster. Surprising how many people think a bullet will be stopped by a plaster wall, as it is on TV.

[KenP]

So... uh... We can visit....?

Probably shouldn't. You'd keep me up late drinking.

[ratesguy]

shotgun for home protection. Perps know the sound of a pump action and know that accuracy is not an issue. Handguns are not accurate at anything other than close range. I keep a model 11 auto under my bed, ammo in the closet 4 steps away. Perps can still hear the unmistakable sound of the action when I chamber a round.

[Mr. I - Man]

Originally Posted by PhilD

A shotgun is a very formidable weapon and certainly intimidating. I have a Beretta FP1201 in the bedroom, but I'm a great believer that an unloaded firearm is an expensive club, so it is loaded and the only sound a BG would hear, well actually he wouldn't hear any sound.

A shotgun does not make a very good carry weapon, a pistol does. You can have a pistol nearby 24/7.

As to the accuracy of a handgun, you can engage targets out to 25 yds while moving with a good degree of accuracy, although in 99% of self defense scenarios there is rarely a need to use deadly force against someone 25 yds away. If you do need to engage at those kind of distances, use the handgun to get you to a rifle.

The beretta does not make alot of noise when you chamber a round. Its more of a suprise weapon than a deterent. I have the same weapon same setup at home shells are stagger loaded first shot 00 buck, second shot Hydro Shok Sabot slug and so on. If you don't hit him with the spread pattern first shot The second shot you will have an accurate shot for aleast 30 yards when the would be jacker is attempting to flee.

[KenP]

Originally Posted by PhilD

I think once you have a BG in the house, the deterrent effect is less important than simply stopping the threat. If someone is in my house my sole purpose will be to stop them, not deter them.

Is that how the English say "kill them"?

[Mr. I - Man]

Originally Posted by PhilD

I think once you have a BG in the house, the deterrent effect is less important than simply stopping the threat. If someone is in my house my sole purpose will be to stop them, not deter them.

Just have to remember what is in there, don't want to shoot a slug through a wall and possibly in to whoever may be behind the wall., Also a slug can and will bounce back at you if it hits something solid enough. Slugs reuire you to aim, shot doesn't. Nothing wrong with slugs, but 00 is plenty effective in a shotgun for defensive duty.

Some people like to mix rounds up, I personally don't. Much easier to use all the same ammo and you'll get much more consistant results.

Hydro Shok Sabot bounce?? . Lead Mushrooms with steel posts in the middle tend not to bounce back at you or over penetrate too much. Remember its not a deer slug its a people slug

I figure if by chance of a divine intervention the 00 does not stop the Fvcker he is gonna be beating feet out of there thats where the range of the slug comes in handy .

[KenP]

Originally Posted by PhilD

Possibly, almost certainly if they are top of you, but that's why you practice shooting from retention. However, there are times when not taking a sight picture can have disastrous results, especially if a hostage or innocent becomes the backstop. I personally would not shoot from retention any further 2-3 yds, anything over that and they will be in my sights when they are engaged.A vast amount of it is about about practice, when the SHTF you will do what you practice.

Phil, I've seen some of your pics. Maybe we should just schedule a trip to Corpus for a few days.

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

First of all - you should carry, you should get your own gun, and you should practice a TON.


But most important --- Think of the great conversions you could have at your tea parties.

"Hey, did you see those new Gucci handbags that just came out?".

"No, but check out this Glock. I could cap you Mo Fos right now........"

LMAO! I think I just woke the whole family.