Salutations - suggestions sought

[H3 Hummer]

Originally Posted by glowrider

Greetings. New to the board, just found it this morning in fact. I previously owned a GMC Yukon Denali and I hated how it drove, though I loved the comfortable ride. I now have an '06 BMW M5 but need something for the winter. I'm tossed up between the H3 and the Wrangler, but I'm 90% sure I'll go for a Yellow H3 (bare bones package, just want it for bad weather and getting to some more remote spots [I'm a photographer]).

Anyway, I am searching for some opinions (I'm currently in Ecuador on assignment, will be back next week and scheduled for a test drive, but I'm too damn excited to not ask some silly newbish questions that will probably be replied with 'go test drive one' so please keep that in mind).

1) Is the H3 tighter than the Denali? My Yukon was a pig in slush. But on the same note, does it ride as smoothly, or more harsh? Mostly going to be on the streets in NYC and out to Jersey or LI sometimes. Frequently to upstate NY though.

2) I HATE Potamkin in Manhattan. I feel dirty when I walk in there. Anyone have a great Hummer dealer in the tri-state area? I don't mind using Potamkin for service as it is 20 blocks from home, but I don't want to lease from them.

3) Is there any point in trying to negotiate beyond what a GMID would get me on a lease? I'm looking for an '06 or '07 in Yellow with black and a manual tranny, hope they're easy to find.

Thank you guys for understanding that I'm just too excited at this point and in no position to actually go call or visit a dealer (although it would be great to have one here at 12,000 feet in the Andes)...

David

I would not recommend the bare bones package. It is just fine but for the extra money it is a lot better investment. Arguably the tires alone are worth the extra dinero.

[NEOCON1]

i like an Escalade with 26 inch wheels and a whole lot of bling

[glowrider]

My Yukon Denali drove like mush. The worst driving experience I've ever had in a truck. My ex's Envoy Denali, however, was much better.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by glowrider

My Yukon Denali drove like mush. The worst driving experience I've ever had in a truck. My ex's Envoy Denali, however, was much better.

mush
?noun
1. meal, esp. cornmeal, boiled in water or milk until it forms a thick, soft mass, or until it is stiff enough to mold into a loaf for slicing and frying.
2. any thick, soft mass.
3. mawkish sentimentality or amorousness.
4. anything unpleasantly or contemptibly lacking in coherence, force, dignity, etc.: His entire argument was simply mush.

?verb (used with object)
5. to squeeze or crush; crunch: to mush all the candy together in a sticky ball.


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[Origin: 1665?75, Americanism; obscurely akin to mash1]
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?verb (used without object)
1. to go or travel, esp. over snow with a dog team and sled.

?verb (used with object)
2. to drive or spur on (sled dogs or a sled drawn by dogs).

?interjection
3. go! (used as an order to start or speed up a dog team)

?noun
4. a trip or journey, esp. across snow and ice with a dog team.


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[Origin: 1895?1900; perh. orig. as phrasal v. mush on! < CanF, F marchons! let's go!; see march1]
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v. mushed, mush?ing, mush?es
v. intr.
To travel, especially over snow with a dogsled.

v. tr.
To drive (a dogsled or team of dogs).

n.
A journey, especially by dogsled.

interj.
Used to command a team of dogs to begin pulling or move faster.


[Possibly alteration of French marchons, first person pl. imperative of marcher, to walk, go, from Old French. See march1.]
musher n.

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n.
A thick porridge or pudding of cornmeal boiled in water or milk.
Something thick, soft, and pulpy.

Informal.
Mawkish sentimentality, affection, or amorousness.

tr.v. mushed, mush?ing, mush?es
To reduce to mush; mash or crush.


[Probably alteration of mash.]

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mush

n
1: any soft or soggy mass; "he pounded it to a pulp" [syn: pulp]
2: cornmeal boiled in water [syn: cornmeal mush]
3: an expression that is excessively sweet and sentimental [syn: treacle]
4: a journey by dogsled

v
1: drive (a team of dogs or a dogsled)
2: travel with a dogsled

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MUSH

1. <games> Multi-User Shared Hallucination.
2. <messaging> Mail Users' Shell.


The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, ? 1993 Denis Howe
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MUSH

MUSH: in Acronym Finder

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mush

mush: in CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary

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mush [maʃ] noun

something soft and wet
Example: The potatoes have turned to mush after being boiled for so long. Arabic: شَيءٌ ناعِم ورَطْب
Chinese (Simplified): 糊状物
Chinese (Traditional): 糊狀物
Czech: ka?e
Danish: gr?d
Dutch: brij
Estonian: sodi
Finnish: sose
French: bouillie
German: der Brei
Greek: πολτός,χυλός
Hungarian: p?p
Icelandic: ?ykkt mauk
Indonesian: bubur
Italian: poltiglia
Japanese: どろどろしたもの
Korean: 걸죽한 것, 물컹한 것
Latvian: kaut kas mīksts un slapj?, putra
Lithuanian: ko?ė
Norwegian: gr?tet masse
Polish: papka
Portuguese (Brazil): papa
Portuguese (Portugal): papa
Romanian: piure
Russian: кашица
Slovak: ka?a
Slovenian: ka?a
Spanish: papilla, pasta
Swedish: mos, r?ra, gr?t, s?rja
Turkish: l?pa

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

I didn't say the other trucks were superior to the H3. I said that the Denali was superior to most truck based vehicles in the handling department.

Yes you did, "it does everything better than an H3 on the Highway, as far as handling is concerned. But the same can be said for the Denali and the H2, the regular Yukon, a pickup, the Expedition, Excursion, and most other truck based vehicles"

... Unless you meant that the Denali is superior to itself on the highway, which is meaningless.

Originally Posted by PARAGON

That's from vast experience. I've owned one since 2001 and have driven nearly all of the other vehicles. Get your heads out of your collective asses. The Denali is made for the road, period. It's Ok for it to drive better.

Geezus

I appreciate that you have personal experience with driving a Yukon Denali. Could you elaborate on the specific aspects of its highway handling which are better than the H3? This is an honest question. I've never driven a Denali and I am curious about your opinion.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

Yes you did, "it does everything better than an H3 on the Highway, as far as handling is concerned. But the same can be said for the Denali and the H2, the regular Yukon, a pickup, the Expedition, Excursion, and most other truck based vehicles"

... Unless you meant that the Denali is superior to itself on the highway, which is meaningless.

Are you just normally dumb are you simply trying to argue again?

I didn't mention the H3 in the second sentence. I compared the Denali to most other truck based vehicles. You can't even reach to come to any other conclusion.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

Yes you did, "it does everything better than an H3 on the Highway, as far as handling is concerned. But the same can be said for the Denali and the H2, the regular Yukon, a pickup, the Expedition, Excursion, and most other truck based vehicles"

... Unless you meant that the Denali is superior to itself on the highway, which is meaningless.



I appreciate that you have personal experience with driving a Yukon Denali. Could you elaborate on the specific aspects of its highway handling which are better than the H3? This is an honest question. I've never driven a Denali and I am curious about your opinion.

No.

I have no desire now, nor ever to waste time in attempt to validate anything to, most especially you. My opinion is what it is. Should you not believe it, fine. I really don't give 2 sh!ts because the effect my opinion has on you raises about as much concern to me as an ant fart.

[Mr. I - Man]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

mush
?noun
1. meal, esp. cornmeal, boiled in water or milk until it forms a thick, soft mass, or until it is stiff enough to mold into a loaf for slicing and frying.
2. any thick, soft mass.
3. mawkish sentimentality or amorousness.
4. anything unpleasantly or contemptibly lacking in coherence, force, dignity, etc.: His entire argument was simply mush.

?verb (used with object)
5. to squeeze or crush; crunch: to mush all the candy together in a sticky ball.


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[Origin: 1665?75, Americanism; obscurely akin to mash1]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, ? Random House, Inc. 2006.
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?verb (used without object)
1. to go or travel, esp. over snow with a dog team and sled.

?verb (used with object)
2. to drive or spur on (sled dogs or a sled drawn by dogs).

?interjection
3. go! (used as an order to start or speed up a dog team)

?noun
4. a trip or journey, esp. across snow and ice with a dog team.


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[Origin: 1895?1900; perh. orig. as phrasal v. mush on! < CanF, F marchons! let's go!; see march1]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, ? Random House, Inc. 2006.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source

v. mushed, mush?ing, mush?es
v. intr.
To travel, especially over snow with a dogsled.

v. tr.
To drive (a dogsled or team of dogs).

n.
A journey, especially by dogsled.

interj.
Used to command a team of dogs to begin pulling or move faster.


[Possibly alteration of French marchons, first person pl. imperative of marcher, to walk, go, from Old French. See march1.]
musher n.

The American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright ? 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source

n.
A thick porridge or pudding of cornmeal boiled in water or milk.
Something thick, soft, and pulpy.

Informal.
Mawkish sentimentality, affection, or amorousness.

tr.v. mushed, mush?ing, mush?es
To reduce to mush; mash or crush.


[Probably alteration of mash.]

The American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright ? 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
WordNet - Cite This Source

mush

n
1: any soft or soggy mass; "he pounded it to a pulp" [syn: pulp]
2: cornmeal boiled in water [syn: cornmeal mush]
3: an expression that is excessively sweet and sentimental [syn: treacle]
4: a journey by dogsled

v
1: drive (a team of dogs or a dogsled)
2: travel with a dogsled

WordNet? 2.0, ? 2003 Princeton University
Free On-line Dictionary of Computing - Cite This Source



MUSH

1. <games> Multi-User Shared Hallucination.
2. <messaging> Mail Users' Shell.


The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, ? 1993 Denis Howe
Acronym Finder - Cite This Source
MUSH

MUSH: in Acronym Finder

Acronym Finder, ? 1988-2004 Mountain Data Systems
On-line Medical Dictionary - Cite This Source
mush

mush: in CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary

On-line Medical Dictionary, ? 1997-98 Academic Medical Publishing & CancerWEB
Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version) - Cite This Source
mush [maʃ] noun

something soft and wet
Example: The potatoes have turned to mush after being boiled for so long. Arabic: شَيءٌ ناعِم ورَطْب
Chinese (Simplified): 糊状物
Chinese (Traditional): 糊狀物
Czech: ka?e
Danish: gr?d
Dutch: brij
Estonian: sodi
Finnish: sose
French: bouillie
German: der Brei
Greek: πολτός,χυλός
Hungarian: p?p
Icelandic: ?ykkt mauk
Indonesian: bubur
Italian: poltiglia
Japanese: どろどろしたもの
Korean: 걸죽한 것, 물컹한 것
Latvian: kaut kas mīksts un slapj?, putra
Lithuanian: ko?ė
Norwegian: gr?tet masse
Polish: papka
Portuguese (Brazil): papa
Portuguese (Portugal): papa
Romanian: piure
Russian: кашица
Slovak: ka?a
Slovenian: ka?a
Spanish: papilla, pasta
Swedish: mos, r?ra, gr?t, s?rja
Turkish: l?pa

Still got alot time on your hands. Need a job?

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Mr. I - Man

Still got alot time on your hands. Need a job?

Still need a job

[Poopy]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

No.

I have no desire now, nor ever to waste time in attempt to validate anything to, most especially you. My opinion is what it is. Should you not believe it, fine. I really don't give 2 sh!ts because the effect my opinion has on you raises about as much concern to me as an ant fart.

Does anybody like you?

[Poopy]

Cok Hummper likes me, thats why she keeps replying to my posts.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

(in reference to paragon)

NO !

not sure he likes himself...

RYD

thank goodness for the ignore list

that.... really............... really........ r e a l l y..........................

doesn't hurt, coming from you.

[Poopy]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

that.... really............... really........ r e a l l y..........................

doesn't hurt, coming from you.

You're the ugly kid, only Albert Camus could love.....

[Jeff G]

Originally Posted by Poopy

You're the ugly kid, only Albert Camus could love.....

He's a fooking nutcase!!

[H3PAC]

Originally Posted by NEOCON1

i like an Escalade with 26 inch wheels and a whole lot of bling

LOL

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Poopy

You're the ugly kid, only Albert Camus could love.....

an epiphany, coming from someone who likes to refer to himself as human excrement.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

No.

I have no desire now, nor ever to waste time in attempt to validate anything to, most especially you. My opinion is what it is. Should you not believe it, fine. I really don't give 2 sh!ts because the effect my opinion has on you raises about as much concern to me as an ant fart.

It's the same old story. You jump on a thread, make fun of someone's opinion or choice of words, do something ridiculous - like define it for him in umpteen languages - to show how educated you are, state high-minded opinions you don't support and then refuse to answer legitimate questions about it ... as if you're above all this mundane chatter. But all you really are in the end is an arrogant, hypocritical troll.

Your health condition isn't your fault, but your attitude and behavior is. You're a smart guy ... so share what you know about wheeling and mechanics, take pride in helping someone out, offer people some encouragement, enjoy their passion for hummers, and for god's sake don't take yourself so seriously.

You have a lot you could offer this forum, and there's a lot you could be learning. Don't waste your intelligence and experience on worthless insults and negativity. Life's too short. The people who know you seem to respect you ... give the rest of us a reason to.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

It's the same old story. You jump on a thread, make fun of someone's opinion or choice of words, do something ridiculous - like define it for him in umpteen languages - to show how educated you are, state high-minded opinions you don't support and then refuse to answer legitimate questions about it ... as if you're above all this mundane chatter. But all you really are in the end is an arrogant, hypocritical troll.

Your health condition isn't your fault, but your attitude and behavior is. You're a smart guy ... so share what you know about wheeling and mechanics, take pride in helping someone out, offer people some encouragement, enjoy their passion for hummers, and for god's sake don't take yourself so seriously.

You have a lot you could offer this forum, and there's a lot you could be learning. Don't waste your intelligence and experience on worthless insults and negativity. Life's too short. The people who know you seem to respect you ... give the rest of us a reason to.

no

[NEOCON1]

Originally Posted by H3PAC

LOL Attachment 33712

freakin blingtastic

[Huck BB62]

As you can see here, we own both, an '05 Denali, and an '06 H3 Adventure, so I for one have my money where my mouth is. The Denali most definitely outperforms the H3 on the road in every single way, except ONE, and that's cornering. It's far FAR faster, far FAR more comfortable, it's far more stable on the slabwork, it's steering is a lot lighter (almost too light for my taste) It has a really decent turning radius (Don't get me wrong here, the H3 has a really GOOD turning radius, it's just that the Denali's not bad, especially compared to any other full size SUV) The H3's cargo capacity is just about half what the Denali's is. Those friggin' non-flat rear seats do drive me bonkers when I'm trying to carry something back there, at times I've wished I would just take 'em out.

Our Denali gets exactly the same mileage as our H3. The H3 really needs the 6.0, because it's so heavy that when you're in traffic, or driving in the mountains, you've got your foot mashed to the floorboards a lot and the Denali isn't even trying.

I drive straight up and straight down the mountain every day. There's not a straight flat section of road the whole 45 mile commute.

Which one do I prefer commuting in? The H3. I shag the krap out of the sucker. To give you an idea of how bad, the stock tires are gone at 20k. The H3 behaves pretty well... to a point. You can definitely feel the ass end hunting around when you cook a corner too hot, but it does pretty well. I went from the Mini S, an amazing street legal go-cart, to the H3, so I'm pretty familiar with what great handling is. The H3 takes me another eight minutes or so to drive to work. My Sierra 4x4 HD extra cab handles as well as the H3 (believe it or not, the cornering speeds are the same). I've drifted our H3, it does NOT like it. The best thing is to never ever EVER hit the brakes when the H3's out of shape, stay moderately in the go pedal and ride it out, you hit the brakes and it gets more out of shape fast. The heavy rear end wants to move around, and it's not in the direction you're likely to want to go!

The Denali IS mushier than both of those. It's also insanely better on a long trip. I can hurry the Denali on the curves, but it's not happy about it. It takes about the same amount of time in the commute, because it's motor is so much stronger. Going back up the mountain, the Denali is much MUCH more easy and fun to drive because the engine's not screamin at over 4k rpm and the tranny's not hunting every single corner (when I'm hurrying the H3, I just leave it in D3, and quite frequently it shifts down to 2)

This summer, I trailered the H3 up to Oregon on our car hauler when we bought our river house and drove our truck back home alone to work leaving my wife to enjoy the new digs, flew back up, and then a couple of weeks we loaded up the H3 to drive back home. We had that thing PACKED. The roof racks were full, the back was packed to the brim. Let me tell you, I've never ever missed our Denali so badly. Our dogs were miserable.

Commuting, offroading, it's the H3 hands down.

Again, on long trips, it's the Denali. By the way, the Denali is an EXCELLENT snow vehicle. The traction control works wonderfully. The Denali is a wonderful machine, mushy handling and all.

What else would one expect?