I'm thinking about switching over to the other team.

[marin8703]

Quote:
Originally Posted by marin8703
I have to agree with D, on almost everything. MAC besides popular beleife (what's the matter is your spell check crashed?)crash lots and ltos of times unless you baby it. The PC crashes about the same as a MAC, when overloaded a mac would crash just as easily as a PC, its just that MAC users dont do much that requires so overloading, hehe, maybe they do. Ok aside from that being completely incoherrent I ask again what the hell do you people do that reqires such unbelievable processor power. They animate tv shows and movies on MACS under tight time deadlines with heavier processor requirements than most of you can conceive of using.

The thing about Viruses, forget about that mith, might have been true once but not anymore, MAC will get viruses, they are not invisable machines and their code is not written by an imortal.Ok I'm not even going to bother with the poor spelling and poor grammar anymore, its everywhere. How is it a myth if your own statement implies that mac viral infections are coming in the FUTURE. PC's are a greater target for viruses and will always be, in the future viruses will diminish as operating systems become designed to internally thwart virus attacks. This will apply to all, by the way, in the mean time you are still way safer with a MAC, FACT

Software cabailities, big issue. You wont find out how big the issue is untill you get the MAC. Even simple software that you would think is universal is not there for MAC. I had a MAC about a year ago, for about 2 months, and gave it away as a present cauze it sucked so much, couldnt get any software for it, that i needed, only some gay video software. What kind of ghey software were you looking for? a meatspin screen saver? You're going to need to elaborate. You might have an easier time finding the software you need if you took your head out of your ass.

I did like their user interface, but Vista is matching that rite now. Donno how much vista is an improvement over XP but so far it seems like alot. There will be patches and things coming out probably to fix small things, just like in a first year model car/truck. Funny when apple releases a new version of OS people race to embrace it when windows does they cringe. You've already admitted that XP needed improvement and that vista will be full of bugs, oh boy I can't wait to run out and put that junk in my computer.

My school just upgraded 7 of the 30 some laboratories to Vista and they are booked all the time, the XP labs and the 4-5 MAC labs are almost empty. I used Vista several days ago, and it is much faster at loading programs compared to XP, it looks better, and apperantly it is safer (for some). Viruses are nothing to worry about if you know how to protect yourself. On my other computer I have absolutely no antivisrus or antispyware program installed and have not received a virus ever. (I do an internet scan once in a while so that I know).You're fine use of the english language and your exemplary spelling suggest that we should not be impressed by the decisions made at your school.

So my advise is if you have used windows, get a Vista Premium computer and enjoy, you wont be dissapointed. Im looking at some HPs rite now cauze im palnning on buyng too, and they are awsome.

You have fun with that

hey, thanks for the grammar and spelling check, but you got most of what I was trying to say. This time im going to do my best to keeps things spelled rightand as simple as possible, although i gaurantee nothing. Didn't realize this was a spelling contest.

I'll just start from you first point, comment on it and go from there.

The only processor demanding work that I have known a mac to do is movie processing. Im not saying thats an easy job, not at all, but come on, it sure as hell isn't the hardest. I have not seen a mac do laboratory simulations/analysis of even the simplest crap. Someone posted a screen of a mac with all kinds of programs opened, that was pointless. Having windows open does not require more power than my ti-89 has. Why dont you try having the autocad software do a rendering of a 40 mb drawing, and have the other programs do stuff at the same time, it ain't gona happen no matter how much you wish it. A PC wont do it either, I just wanted to point out that having programs loaded into memory means jack.

Ok, again with the spelling, what are you a 50 year old grade school teacher? My statement was "The thing about Viruses, forget about that mith, might have been true once but not anymore, MAC will get viruses, they are not invisable machines and their code is not written by an imortal." How hard is that to understand, are your retarded? It says that macs are not safe anymore, so if you get a mac it can very easily get a virus, its not invisible. Get it? Dont try to read between the line, theres nothing there, and your too stupid to do that anyways. Although I do agree that macs are still safer than pcs.

Again you have a problem with reading comprehension. "couldnt get any software for it, that i needed, only some gay video software." This says that i couldnt get any software for it that i needed, only found useless gay video software, by which i meant video editing software; but for some reason your mind goes to meatspin, whats up with that? BTW, my head has been out of my ass for a long time now, thanks for the suggestion though. Many fluid and thermo simulation software is not available for the mac, and dont even talk about gaming, pathetic. I was saying that there isn't software that I needed, not software that your meatspin loving self needs.

Definately, XP needs improvements and thats what vista is for. I said that Vista will have bugs, not that it will be full of bugs. And OS X needs improvements too, so dont flatter yourself. Every new piece of software has bugs. If it doesnt, all that means is that the company wont admit to any flaws and their software is out there with bugs. It is impossible to have an OS (thousands and thousands of lines of code) that has no bugs, absolutely impossible. if you say otherwise theres something wrong with you.

Oh, and you should be impressed with my university. Im not involved with much writing, so my abilities are sufficient for what i do. Your comprehension skills seem to be on par with my spelling and grammar skills, and thats a problem in any field of work.

Check every university in the entire nation, if you find one running more macs than pc, come back here, post and I will say that you are the man, and I will go purchase a mac. Im talking about real, accredited universities that do reasearch, preferably a tech school, no antsi pantsy art or video editing school. Check the Association of Independent Technological Universities, top tech/research schools in the nation, mine is one of them, and no mac superiority there.

So thanks for the spelling and grammar lessons, and dont be so sensitive, macs arent that bad, just not as good as pcs. And I did not use spell check, I wrote carefully, which was an absolute waste of time.

ssgharkness020147, which way you leaning so far, or did you already make a purchase? good luck with your shopping.

Sorry for the ridiculously long post everyone.

[ssgharkness020147]

I havent made a choice yet. Before I go shopping I want my check from the insurance company. I just got the stuff to file my claim in the mail today, I'll have it sent out by monday, and hopefully this will get figured out easily. While I'm hoping... I hope I get a $10,000.00 check from them too. Max coverege. Fingers crossed.

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by marin8703

I'll just start from you first point, comment on it and go from there.

Uhh... what? Did you mean to say "I'll just start from your first point, comment on it and go from there."? If you could just use proper grammar it wouldn't have taken me 11 minutes to get passed that sentence.

BTW - Firefox has a cool feature that underlines misspelled words as you type them and gives you suggestions. It won't help with your grammar though.

[Tah2oe]

Originally Posted by marin8703

Someone posted a screen of a mac with all kinds of programs opened, that was pointless. Having windows open does not require more power than my ti-89 has. Why dont you try having the autocad software do a rendering of a 40 mb drawing, and have the other programs do stuff at the same time, it ain't gona happen no matter how much you wish it. A PC wont do it either, I just wanted to point out that having programs loaded into memory means jack.

Did you notice that there was a mix of Apple and PC software running simultaneously?

I use AutoCad for electrical design and it is in use when open. I don't do any 3D rendering with AutoCad. I also use Microsoft Project for project scheduling, I was also working on a Visio drawing because we are a data/comm contractor also.

I was trying to show that these are all PC programs running fine on my Mac. At the same time I was running some of my Mac movie making programs and other Mac software. You cannot show me a PC running PC programs and Mac programs at the same time.

My machine never bogs down, it handles all of these programs not just open but actually performing tasks when open.

Machine Name: Mac Pro
Processor Name: Dual-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 3.0 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per processor): 4 MB
Memory: 7 GB
Bus Speed: 1.33 GHz

I also have a lot of windows machines as well. I just prefer working on a platform that allows me to run whatever software I want.

[Boar-Ral]

Originally Posted by BKLYNH2

You're INTEL is so outdated you sound like a fool the new macs run on intel processors, and can actually run windows, if you choose, virtual PC is over. I have used Macs since the apple IIE and have not had a virus ever. As far as your crashes are concerned were they in Virtual PC because that would be attributing the crash of your mac to a windows failure. VPC was almost always spotty anyway. If you need PC only programs by all means stick with a PC. If you like to surf the web, manage and alter photos, movies, music, video, need a spreadsheet, word processor, presentation, database, cad, animation, calander, contact management, basic tax or accounting, or email program you will do well with a mac and you'll do it with style and very intuitively. There I think I've covered the needs of 90% of the universe. Oh that's right if you have no life and really want to play cool games all the time buy an xboxor ps3. Macs cost more but a lot of the extra items you need to add to a pc ,like a wireless card for instance are already built into the mac, so the mac is good for people who want their computer to do things straight out of the box rather than requiring some Best buy IT a*hole to set it up for them.I have used both systems and can't emphasize enough how so many things that are so easy on a mac are chores on a pc. Now lets talk about where every PC innovation comes from.......... APPLE their operating system continuosly tries to emulate the mac os when are you dunces going to realise this. Every new use for a computer comes out on a mac first and then the PC world tries to match it.

We operate over 70 Apple computers in our environment here and approximately half of them require the use of Windows software. Bootcamp made it easy to let our computers run both OS X and Windows but it did not make it run well. Windows XP is plagued with crashes and restarts on the Apple computers whereas it continues chugging away on our PCs. I find it impossible to believe the problem is with Windows when our PCs operate without incident but on our Apple hardware it can be counted on to crash at least once per week per computer.

Describing people who play games as "having no life" is the typical stance an Apple advocate takes: egotism and superiority. Because you do not enjoy playing games, then obviously everyone else must follow in your footsteps lest they have "no life."

And Apple computers coming with hardware like wireless "out of the box?" Sure, if you order your computer with that. (Hint: you can order every name-brand PC with these options too, and amazing enough, it works when you turn on the computer!)

Apple advocates also love to push the "we did it first" argument, which is amusing in its own rights as Apple admitted to "borrowing" Xerox's ideas when they designed the original MacOS and more recently, "borrowing" ideas from NEXTSTEP for OS X. Innovation my ass. The only innovation I see coming from Apple is the iPhone and the iPod, but certainly not in their computers. You can dress up a pig but at the end of the day, it is still a pig.

Is the PC guilty of this? Of course it is. But most PC users understand that. They do not hide behind some false sense of superiority.

[bparker]

LMFAO - case and point....

Originally Posted by BKLYNH2

You're INTEL is so outdated you sound like a fool the new macs run on intel processors, and can actually run windows, if you choose, virtual PC is over. I have used Macs since the apple IIE and have not had a virus ever. As far as your crashes are concerned were they in Virtual PC because that would be attributing the crash of your mac to a windows failure. VPC was almost always spotty anyway. If you need PC only programs by all means stick with a PC. If you like to surf the web, manage and alter photos, movies, music, video, need a spreadsheet, word processor, presentation, database, cad, animation, calander, contact management, basic tax or accounting, or email program you will do well with a mac and you'll do it with style and very intuitively. There I think I've covered the needs of 90% of the universe. Oh that's right if you have no life and really want to play cool games all the time buy an xboxor ps3. Macs cost more but a lot of the extra items you need to add to a pc ,like a wireless card for instance are already built into the mac, so the mac is good for people who want their computer to do things straight out of the box rather than requiring some Best buy IT a*hole to set it up for them.I have used both systems and can't emphasize enough how so many things that are so easy on a mac are chores on a pc. Now lets talk about where every PC innovation comes from.......... APPLE their operating system continuosly tries to emulate the mac os when are you dunces going to realise this. Every new use for a computer comes out on a mac first and then the PC world tries to match it.

[BKLYNH2]

here would you like fries with that?

Canada


History
British and French explorers originally settled in Canada sometime before 1975. Years of isolation led to Canadians declaring independence in 1984; the Queen never objected, since she forgot Canada's existence. Canada has since become the leading exporter of maple syrup and snow shovels. Over the years, Canadians have inbred and worn snow caps, flannel hats with ear flaps as a mark of their blatant incest.

Culture
Canada fosters two cultures; the Hosers and the French Canadians. The French Canadians are the by-product of French culture settling in Canada, and have notoriety for being voted the snootiest people in North America. French Canadians prefer to be called Quebecois, since they reside in Quebec, a former toxic waste disposal site the French saw fit to colonise. Due to their repulsive stench, the French were not upset by the radioactive waste, and have contributed much to Canadian history.
The Hosers, on the other hand, are unsophisticated hicks who inhabit the remainder of the nation. They are fond of maple syrup, maple leaves, maple wood, maple yams, snow, snow caps, fanny packs and hockey. Hosers thrive inside igloos, homes made from snow bricks, in order to have shelter in an inhospitable environment. The majority of their time is spent blind drunk, and picking fights at hockey matches. It is for this very reason that Canadians are frequently missing teeth.

Politics
The Quebecois demand succession from the Dominion of Canada, and have retaliated by speaking French, an incomprehensible language invented by hobos and pretentious *******s. Quebecois often rally in hopes having a free Quebec, but nobody really cares about French people anymore. Nobody cared in the first place.
Hosers support a liberal government that supports free, state-operated healthcare. Also, Canadians support gay marriage, probably because they're all flamboyantly queer fags; other causes Canadians support are medical marijuana, which explains the high percentage of stoners who frequent Toronto, the cultural crossroads.

Language
After settling in Canada, the settlers mutated British slang into what is now Hoser speek. Absurd expressions such as "eh?" conclude most sentences, and the English word "about" is "aboot" in Hoser speech e.g. "What are ye talking aboot, eh?" etc.
Quebecois are asshats who speak French. That's all you need to know.

Food
A typical meal revolves around maple syrup, a staple in every Canadian's diet. The main crop is elk, supported by vast badger imports from abroad.

Notable Canadians
None, unless you count Celine Dion. Which you shouldn?t.

Further Information
It is acceptable to refer to Canadians--excepting the Quebecois--as Cannucks. Really this is pointless, as you can just point and grunt at a Canadian and they'll understand exactly.

[BKLYNH2]

oops too late

[Boar-Ral]

Originally Posted by BKLYNH2

here would you like fries with that?

Canada


History
British and French explorers originally settled in Canada sometime before 1975. Years of isolation led to Canadians declaring independence in 1984; the Queen never objected, since she forgot Canada's existence. Canada has since become the leading exporter of maple syrup and snow shovels. Over the years, Canadians have inbred and worn snow caps, flannel hats with ear flaps as a mark of their blatant incest.

Culture
Canada fosters two cultures; the Hosers and the French Canadians. The French Canadians are the by-product of French culture settling in Canada, and have notoriety for being voted the snootiest people in North America. French Canadians prefer to be called Quebecois, since they reside in Quebec, a former toxic waste disposal site the French saw fit to colonise. Due to their repulsive stench, the French were not upset by the radioactive waste, and have contributed much to Canadian history.
The Hosers, on the other hand, are unsophisticated hicks who inhabit the remainder of the nation. They are fond of maple syrup, maple leaves, maple wood, maple yams, snow, snow caps, fanny packs and hockey. Hosers thrive inside igloos, homes made from snow bricks, in order to have shelter in an inhospitable environment. The majority of their time is spent blind drunk, and picking fights at hockey matches. It is for this very reason that Canadians are frequently missing teeth.

Politics
The Quebecois demand succession from the Dominion of Canada, and have retaliated by speaking French, an incomprehensible language invented by hobos and pretentious *******s. Quebecois often rally in hopes having a free Quebec, but nobody really cares about French people anymore. Nobody cared in the first place.
Hosers support a liberal government that supports free, state-operated healthcare. Also, Canadians support gay marriage, probably because they're all flamboyantly queer fags; other causes Canadians support are medical marijuana, which explains the high percentage of stoners who frequent Toronto, the cultural crossroads.

Language
After settling in Canada, the settlers mutated British slang into what is now Hoser speek. Absurd expressions such as "eh?" conclude most sentences, and the English word "about" is "aboot" in Hoser speech e.g. "What are ye talking aboot, eh?" etc.
Quebecois are asshats who speak French. That's all you need to know.

Food
A typical meal revolves around maple syrup, a staple in every Canadian's diet. The main crop is elk, supported by vast badger imports from abroad.

Notable Canadians
None, unless you count Celine Dion. Which you shouldn?t.

Further Information
It is acceptable to refer to Canadians--excepting the Quebecois--as Cannucks. Really this is pointless, as you can just point and grunt at a Canadian and they'll understand exactly.

Whoah! There are so many inaccuracies here I do not know where to begin!

First, let's be honest, the Queen pretty much forgets everything now. She is what, 300 years old? Give her a break!

As for Canada being a leader in the export of maple syrup, that is true! (Honest, look it up.) I do not know about shovels though. I think that since we invaded China, they are being built in "Canada East" now.

Global warming has put an end to living in igloos. We have had to resort to tent cities now. I actually walk to the United States to post in the forums. Global warming has also put an end to hockey here. Now, our time is spent sucking the government teat for our welfare checks or having sex with farm animals. I believe there is a bill put in motion for Alabama to annex us. Alabama isn't too close to New Jersey, is it?

I do not know any French Canadians, so I cannot speak for them or about them. I think that they have running water and sewage now, but would appreciate any input on this.

Referring to Canadians as Canucks is true. As far as I am aware, no one has ever taken offense to this.

There are a few typos, too. (i.e. "Hoser speek" should be "Hoser speak," etc.)

Would you like me to help you with the rewrite?

[BKLYNH2]

Originally Posted by bparker

Every mac I have ever seen has Windows on it (Virtual PC or some variant)

You need to get out of the house more.

[Tah2oe]

OK, here is my Mac running AutoCad 2007, Visio, Project, Final Cut Pro, Motion, Photoshop, browser, mail, word, excel, filemaker, address book, outlook, remote desktop, and a few other apps without an issue. My mac can run any PC or Mac software. Macs rule.

[BKLYNH2]

i hope you have a 30" monitor.

[ssgharkness020147]

You feeling ok there BKLYN? Thanks for the tips guys. The insurance comapny is coming out today, so we'll see what happens.

[BKLYNH2]

Originally Posted by KS Trekker

I am a (MCSE) Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer and I couldn't agree more. If Macs are so much better, why do Apple users continually feel the need to bash PCs?Until now this entire thread has been you fools bashing macs, you insecure fools. Most guys I know in IT that own Macs end up working on Microsoft or some type of UNIX in the workplace because very few companies use Macs. Mac has some nice eye candy, but I think Vista will narrow the gap.Again you guys are just trying to catch up. Just make sure you can buy the fastest PC you can afford for Vista.

self

[KS Trekker]

Originally Posted by BKLYNH2

self

Need I say more? First of all Macs are both Apple hardware and OS (Operating System) for the non-IT techno-idiot that thinks they "owned" me. So it's not really fair to compare all PCs to Macs. Microsoft does not make the machine, just the OS and applications. Bring it on, I'll even give you my IP address if you think you can hack me and my Windows systems. I've never had a virus on my Windows, but I'm not a freakin' idiot that downloads everything either.

[bparker]

Here here

Someone had to say it haha

Originally Posted by KS Trekker

First of all Macs are both Apple hardware and OS (Operating System) for the non-IT techno-idiot that thinks they "owned" me.

[MajorGeek]

Being in the business, there are pros and cons. Had this discussion 1,000+ times.

Macs are nice machines. I love em. Good operating system, excellent for sound and video editing. They are also expensive and no choice in what hardware you get, not always bad. Software is more limited and slower to release. Still, if you can afford it, you will like it. Price drives many away.

PC's are more vunerable due to people who are click happy. One time, while doing a review of an anti-spyware program, I tried to get infected as a test (with no anti-malware tools running) and I could not no matter how hard I tried, and I saw some sick crap I have found that the majority of pc users click ok to anything. They typically are downloading illegal music, videos, porn or all of the above. If they are not, then a family member is. They also tend to fall for free screensavers and things that require you download a program to get a program or give up your email and more.

PC's are a huge target because Windows (98, Me, 2k, Vista, 03) are easily installed on the overwhelming majority of computers. When the security argument comes up, you simply need to read Apples and Microsofts patch release notes, they tend to look almost the same! Look at it this way, if you start a business, do you target 95% of the market, or 5% of the market? Theres no money to be made infecting Macs with malware. The most secure, stable computers are the ones not connected to the internet, used by one person, who never installs anything. A little knowledge goes a long way

[bparker]

Truer werds have neva been spoken.

Originally Posted by MajorGeek

PC's are more vunerable due to people who are click happy. I have found that the majority of pc users click ok to anything. They typically are downloading illegal music, videos, porn or all of the above. If they are not, then a family member is. They also tend to fall for free screensavers and things that require you download a program to get a program or give up your email and more.

[Boar-Ral]

Originally Posted by MajorGeek

PC's are more vunerable due to people who are click happy. One time, while doing a review of an anti-spyware program, I tried to get infected as a test (with no anti-malware tools running) and I could not no matter how hard I tried, and I saw some sick crap I have found that the majority of pc users click ok to anything. They typically are downloading illegal music, videos, porn or all of the above. If they are not, then a family member is. They also tend to fall for free screensavers and things that require you download a program to get a program or give up your email and more.

Exactly. I had an argument about Windows Vista security last week with someone who argued that UAC was pointless because every time a security prompt appears, he just keeps clicking OK, so it is pointless. That type of behaviour is bad for two reasons: when such a prompt appears you never click OK without thinking about it, and it also implied that he was operating without an administrator password, otherwise he would need to enter that information each time.

It is basic things like that which really makes the difference between those who are infected and those who are not. I have seen a few people completely mess up their iMac because they did not configure it with a root password and started poking at settings and files until the system would not boot. And the worst is that these same people will do it again and again no matter how many times you tell them and no matter how many times they break something.

As you indicated, screensavers are one of the biggest security risks that I have seen on Windows PCs. New mouse pointers are another one that seem to get people hooked. I have never really figured out the latter, as most of the mouse pointers are so convuluted that I cannot even tell where to click anymore on these computers.

Bleh!

[BKLYNH2]

Originally Posted by bparker

In my 13 yrs in the IT field - Mac users = Non attractive, socially disassociated, self righteous, egotistical a$$holes.

Hmm most people in the IT field are Non attractive, socially disassociated, self righteous, egotistical a$$holes. And I have no idea why.

This has got to be the most ridiculous argument made yet. As far as the non attractive thing goes if 90% of the computers owned are pc than chances are alot more of you are going to be nasty ugly. That is if I were to use one of your own's der logic.