VA Tech

[Huck BB62]

So we have ourselves a dilemma. We have on the one hand a segment of the society that wants no controls on anything morally, thereby establishing a morally bankrupt society. Products of this society are becoming more commonplace and commit atrocities like this guy did. Now it looks like we get to pay for it twice. We get to live in an ever increasingly morally disfuctional society with all of the costs that this incurs (again, check out the evening news, collegehumor.com, youtube, hell, the entire internet, hell, watch CSPAN!) and we get to lose our rights because their "freedom" is fuggin' up our society?

What a mess.

I do believe we're on the same page here, we've seen the enemy, and it is us.

[GLBLWARMR]

Interesting read:

Signs of Intelligence?

By Fred Thompson

One of the things that's got to be going through a lot of peoples' minds now
is how one man with two handguns, that he had to reload time and time again,
could go from classroom to classroom on the Virginia Tech campus without
being stopped. Much of the answer can be found in policies put in place by
the university itself.

Virginia, like 39 other states, allows citizens with training and legal
permits to carry concealed weapons. That means that Virginians regularly sit
in movie theaters and eat in restaurants among armed citizens. They walk,
joke, and rub shoulders everyday with people who responsibly carry firearms
- and are far safer than they would be in San Francisco, Oakland, Detroit,
Chicago, New York City, or Washington, D.C., where such permits are
difficult or impossible to obtain.

The statistics are clear. Communities that recognize and grant Second
Amendment rights to responsible adults have a significantly lower incidence
of violent crime than those that do not. More to the point, incarcerated
criminals tell criminologists that they consider local gun laws when they
decide what sort of crime they will commit, and where they will do so.

Still, there are a lot of people who are just offended by the notion that
people can carry guns around. They view everybody, or at least many of us,
as potential murderers prevented only by the lack of a convenient weapon.
Virginia Tech administrators overrode Virginia state law and threatened to
expel or fire anybody who brings a weapon onto campus.

In recent years, however, armed Americans - not on-duty police officers -
have successfully prevented a number of attempted mass murders. Evidence
from Israel, where many teachers have weapons and have stopped serious
terror attacks, has been documented. Supporting, though contrary, evidence
from Great Britain, where strict gun controls have led to violent crime
rates far higher than ours, is also common knowledge.

So Virginians asked their legislators to change the university's "concealed
carry" policy to exempt people 21 years of age or older who have passed
background checks and taken training classes. The university, however,
lobbied against that bill, and a top administrator subsequently praised the
legislature for blocking the measure.

The logic behind this attitude baffles me, but I suspect it has to do with a
basic difference in worldviews. Some people think that power should exist
only at the top, and everybody else should rely on "the authorities" for
protection.

Despite such attitudes, average Americans have always made up the front line
against crime. Through programs like Neighborhood Watch and Amber Alert, we
are stopping and catching criminals daily. Normal people tackled "shoe
bomber" Richard Reid as he was trying to blow up an airliner. It was a truck
driver who found the D.C. snipers. Statistics from the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention show that civilians use firearms to prevent at least
a half million crimes annually.

When people capable of performing acts of heroism are discouraged or denied
the opportunity, our society is all the poorer. And from the selfless
examples of the passengers on Flight 93 on 9/11 to Virginia Tech professor
Liviu Librescu, a Holocaust survivor who sacrificed himself to save his
students earlier this week, we know what extraordinary acts of heroism
ordinary citizens are capable of.

Many other universities have been swayed by an anti-gun, anti-self defense
ideology. I respect their right to hold those views, but I challenge their
decision to deny Americans the right to protect themselves on their campuses
- and then proudly advertise that fact to any and all.

Whenever I've seen one of those "Gun-free Zone" signs, especially outside of
a school filled with our youngest and most vulnerable citizens, I've always
wondered exactly who these signs are directed at. Obviously, they don't mean
much to the sort of man who murdered 32 people just a few days ago.

- Fred Thompson is an actor and former United States senator from Tennessee.

C ABC

[MarineHawk]

I thought that was good too. Another from Goldberg, who is one of my favorites at getting at the point:

Originally Posted by Jonah Goldberg

... With the light of hindsight, some say the warning signs should have been spotted. But this assumes that strange and disgruntled people are a rarity and that all of them are candidates to become mass murderers. The reality is almost exactly the opposite. Strange minds and tortured souls are all around us, particularly on college campuses.

Shall we now have the psychological equivalent of the zero-tolerance mania that causes children with aspirin to be carted off by police? Shall we unleash the white coats on every misanthrope and muttering grudge holder?

I confess, I’ve played the game of trying to find meaning in tragedy more than once myself and I probably will again. But not this time. Not with Cho. The only meaning I can find supported by the horrific, heartrending evidence is that once again the mystery of evil has been corroborated, the permanence of tragedy confirmed.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...2YzOTYxMGM2OTE=

[KenP]

Originally Posted by GLBLWARMR

- Fred Thompson is an actor and former United States senator from Tennessee.

C ABC

And hopefully a presidential candidate since Jim Gilmore can't get his off the ground.