Question for Computer Gurus

[HummerNewbie]

Got a question for you computer gurus out there. I had XP Pro crash on me and it would constantly reboot during startup. I decided it was time for a new hard drive anyway so installed new drive and XP Pro. I can access the old drive but it will not allow me to copy my old info. If I go into Documents and Settings on the old drive it will not allow me to access the "Admin" folder which was my username on the computer but will allow me to go into the other folders. I did use a password and had set the folders up to be private and I am using the same settings on the new XP install. I also tried coping everything using "Knoppix" which is basic Linux on a bootable disc. It allows me to go into the folder and view the files I want to move to the new hard drive but will not allow me to move them. Any recommendations?

[HummerNewbie]

Got a question for you computer gurus out there. I had XP Pro crash on me and it would constantly reboot during startup. I decided it was time for a new hard drive anyway so installed new drive and XP Pro. I can access the old drive but it will not allow me to copy my old info. If I go into Documents and Settings on the old drive it will not allow me to access the "Admin" folder which was my username on the computer but will allow me to go into the other folders. I did use a password and had set the folders up to be private and I am using the same settings on the new XP install. I also tried coping everything using "Knoppix" which is basic Linux on a bootable disc. It allows me to go into the folder and view the files I want to move to the new hard drive but will not allow me to move them. Any recommendations?

[bparker]

Make sure you are logged in as an Administrator or equalivent to do this.

when you are browsing to the old "admin" folder right click on it and click "properties" and then go to the "security" tab.

Then click "advanced" - then click the "Owner" tab. Now check the box at the bottom to replace the owner of that object then click "apply" and it will give you access to that object.

[HummerNewbie]

Thanks for the input.

I will have to double check when I get home but believe I was logged in as Administrator. I also believe I checked the "Advanced" properties last night and didn't see the "Owner" tab but will check this tonight as well.

Thanks

[bparker]

It looks like this...

[CO Hummer]

Newb,
I'd wait on doing ANYTHING until KenP is available to provide technical advise.

[bparker]

LOL

[alldunn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
Newb,
I'd wait on doing ANYTHING until KenP is available to provide technical advise. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.serverbeach.com/images/smilies/poke2.gif

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
Newb,
I'd wait on doing ANYTHING until KenP is available to provide technical advise. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL...KEN...Help...Ken? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bparker:
Make sure you are logged in as an Administrator or equalivent to do this.

when you are browsing to the old "admin" folder right click on it and click "properties" and then go to the "security" tab.

Then click "advanced" - then click the "Owner" tab. Now check the box at the bottom to replace the owner of that object then click "apply" and it will give you access to that object. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, just tried what you said bparker and do not get a Security tab so I don't get the Owner tab under Advanced either. I was able to share the "Admin" folder though so I can now access that but can not share any of the other folders. Below is the error message I get when I try to access any of the other folders or share them. Any ideas anyone?

[bparker]

Yea that is because you are using a fat32 partitiion and not ntfs. sorry but I only work with servers so I never use fat32. I know some do use fat32 on thier servers but i never have.

you could convert the partition to ntfs and then you will have that option but without it i am not sure.

the difference between the two is:

with a fat32 partition you gain speed but you cant set security permissions down to the file level but only on folders.

with ntfs you loose a little speed due to the security overhead (which is faractions of secs) but you can set permissions per file as apposed to the folder level.

if you choose to convert - i think the command is (off the top of my head but you can google it if I am wrong) is at a command promt type
convert c: ntfs and it will be done on your next reboot

[HummerNewbie]

Unfortunately even when trying to boot in safe mode it gets part way through the boot process and restarts the system.

I am 99.9% sure that both drives are NTFS format but I do not get the Security tab under properties for either drive. I do get General, Tools, Hardware, Sharing and Quota.

I am going to play with it some more. At least I made it one level deeper. If anyone else has any suggestions I am open.

Thanks

[bparker]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
I am 99.9% sure that both drives are NTFS format but I do not get the Security tab under properties for either drive. I do get General, Tools, Hardware, Sharing and Quota. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wow thats really strange, as you should have it if you are using an ntfs volume. now that I am not working I will do some digging

[h2co-pilot]

Alec + bparker= Nerd Fest 2K6

Nerds < fly poop < dog poop < all http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[bparker]

oone other thing that comes to mind but I cant recall the syntax but I have used it in the past.

open a dos/command prompt and start using the "net use /?" command and try to use the net use syntax options to set some new permissions for that folder. dos is limited somewhat and will sometimes bypass "windows" some features and may get you in.

if not - then see if you have a buddy that is running windows 2003 server and put the hard drive in that machine (as a slave) and then you for sure will have the ability to revoke the permissions. Set them to "everyone" so when you put it back in your machine you can access the folder. I know this isnt an attractive method but its what I would do if i were out of options... =)

[HummerNewbie]

Thanks for all the input, I will try those too. I believe a friend of mine has an unused copy or Server that I can setup on a machine. Wouldn't be bad to have around anyway.

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Alec + bparker= Nerd Fest 2K6

Nerds < fly poop < dog poop < all http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL CP http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Among the people I know, I am usually the computer geek http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[bparker]

another thought: when you put that drive in to boot from: have you tried to boot from the XP cd and do a repair installation? Also, have you tried pressing F8 and choose "last known good" configuration? I am sure you have but just checing the obvious.

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
CP, do you know what this is? I know it’s really technical and you are a blonde but… http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bparker:
another thought: when you put that drive in to boot from: have you tried to boot from the XP cd and do a repair installation? Also, have you tried pressing F8 and choose "last known good" configuration? I am sure you have but just checing the obvious. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have tried the repair off the CD but actually didn't try F8. Think I will switch the drives and try that.

[h2co-pilot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Alec + bparker= Nerd Fest 2K6

Nerds < fly poop < dog poop < all http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
CP, do you know what this is? I know it’s really technical and you are a blonde but… http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's an Abacus http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, if it were several it would be abaci. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

An abacus is a calculation tool, often constructed as a wooden frame with beads sliding on wires. It was in use centuries before the adoption of the written Hindu-Arabic numeral system and is still widely used by merchants and clerks in China and elsewhere.

The origins of the abacus are disputed, suggestions including invention in Babylonia and in China, to have taken place between 2400 BC and 300 BC. The first abacus was almost certainly based on a flat stone covered with sand or dust. Lines were drawn in the sand and pebbles used to aid calculations. From this, a variety of abaci were developed; the most popular were based on the bi-quinary system, using a combination of two bases (base-2 and base-5) to represent decimal numbers

The use of the word abacus dates back to before 1387 when a Middle English work borrowed the word from Latin to describe a sandboard abacus. The Latin word came from abakos, the Greek genitive form of abax ("calculating-table"). Because abax also had the sense of "table sprinkled with sand or dust, used for drawing geometric figures," it is speculated by some linguists that the Greek word may be derived from a Semitic root, ?b?q, the Hebrew word for "dust." Though details of the transmission are obscure, it may also be derived from the Phoenician word abak, meaning "sand".


Did that give you a Chubby?http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
It's an Abacus http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, if it were several it would be abaci. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

An abacus is a calculation tool, often constructed as a wooden frame with beads sliding on wires. It was in use centuries before the adoption of the written Hindu-Arabic numeral system and is still widely used by merchants and clerks in China and elsewhere.

The origins of the abacus are disputed, suggestions including invention in Babylonia and in China, to have taken place between 2400 BC and 300 BC. The first abacus was almost certainly based on a flat stone covered with sand or dust. Lines were drawn in the sand and pebbles used to aid calculations. From this, a variety of abaci were developed; the most popular were based on the bi-quinary system, using a combination of two bases (base-2 and base-5) to represent decimal numbers

The use of the word abacus dates back to before 1387 when a Middle English work borrowed the word from Latin to describe a sandboard abacus. The Latin word came from abakos, the Greek genitive form of abax ("calculating-table"). Because abax also had the sense of "table sprinkled with sand or dust, used for drawing geometric figures," it is speculated by some linguists that the Greek word may be derived from a Semitic root, ?b?q, the Hebrew word for "dust." Though details of the transmission are obscure, it may also be derived from the Phoenician word abak, meaning "sand".


Did that give you a Chubby?http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ken, did you leave the encyclopedia out again? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Nah, but my new cooling system did.
http://www.koolance.com/technical/howtobuild/index_02.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that is pretty bad a$$ http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

Ok, I think I am on my way. I just did a backup of some of the files straight from the E drive property windows. I then did a restore to an alternate location and was able to them copy them where I wanted them. Some what a round about way to get the files but at least it looks like it will work http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

I just happened to look at the status and it was in the process of backing up MoabFall2005.wmv http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

For some reason, that file took a while http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Albie]

I think your best bet is the FDISK the mofo......LOL
PM me if you still need help......

[Adam^_^]

add me in on the nerdness http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b300/leftb3h1nd/MyPCs001ms.jpg

completed a few days ago http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P4 3.8Ghz
4GB dual PC25400 sdram
148GB 10,000rpm hdd's
dual geforce 6800GT's
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[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Albie:
I think your best bet is the FDISK the mofo......LOL
PM me if you still need help...... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Format...what...no, I didn't want to do that....NOOOO! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well, it looks like I got everything recovered using the built in backup too. Just backed everything up and then restored to a folder on the new drive and moved everything where I needed it. Thanks everyone for your help.