Hybrids worse than Tahoe

[raptor2ride]

"The oil is running out. It may take a 100 years, but those last 50 will be ugly unless we invest in new technologies now and make them cheaper."



HaHAHA,Wait a minute! 80% of the worlds oil is in Alaska and the Gulf! You have been trained by the media to think there is a oil shortage and there is global warming.

Go back and research the papers and reports that were done in the mid to late 70s. Due to the cold weather it was said we were headed to a possible ice age. It was reported that the ice caps were getting bigger.
Today they just reported on the news that the earths climate changes were now thought to be because of the sun and the changes it goes through.
No matter how you see it the earth will continue to go through temperature changes no matter WHAT humans do.

[working Hummer]

[KenP]

Originally posted by raptor2ride:
"The oil is running out. It may take a 100 years, but those last 50 will be ugly unless we invest in new technologies now and make them cheaper."



HaHAHA,Wait a minute! 80% of the worlds oil is in Alaska and the Gulf! You have been trained by the media to think there is a oil shortage and there is global warming.

Go back and research the papers and reports that were done in the mid to late 70s. Due to the cold weather it was said we were headed to a possible ice age. It was reported that the ice caps were getting bigger.
Today they just reported on the news that the earths climate changes were now thought to be because of the sun and the changes it goes through.
No matter how you see it the earth will continue to go through temperature changes no matter WHAT humans do.

Another reason to open up ANWAR!!!! I've said it before and I'll keep saying it!!!!

[PackerFever]

I just got out of a Listing Appointment, (I sell Homes), with a Prius owner who writes for many envronmental magazines and is moving to Alaska.

Everything was going well, I usually get the listing once I acutally have a face to face meeting.

About half way through the meeting the homeowner looked outside and noticed that my H3 was parked next to his Prius....I am pretty sure that killed all the good Karma I had going in the meeting. Even after I showed him how much money he would be saving going with my company I believe he thought he would be selling his soul if he were to list with anyone who drove a Hummer. I kept it light hearted and told him how we get reasonable MPG compared to most SUV's and how we, my family, are not earth rapers.....his comment "But it is still a Hummer." Trying to remain friendly and jovial I mentioned how his other vehicle, a very old pickumup truck, was not doing anyone any favors...he said when he bought the new vehicle he did it to help save the earth and how since he is a researcher there is no doubt that Humans are the cause of Global Warming.

It was clear to both of us that we come from different worlds and I don't think he is going to work with me. So as he followed me out to my car and looked inside it...maybe I should have let him show me his Prius but I am not interested...mainly becaue of size, ability, and safety, I commented on the article quoted in this thread. About how the cost of Technology and Disposal actually makes the Prius a higher cost per mile vehicle than mine....he didn't belive me but decided to write it off as being worth it in order to do his part to save the earth.

I will follow up with him and if I don't get the Listing I will probably send him the stats and take comfort in knowing that he is paying more per mile, more to list his home with someone else, and is driving a smaller, less safe, vehicle and if he wants to go to his special areas to observe the earth and the human destruction we are causing he will have to drive his old and tired pickumup truck to get there....what an irony.


I did rev the engine a little more as I was leaving his neighborhood and giggled while I did it.

[cl998]

Does anyone have any recent and reputable links on this subject? I have a battle to fight with a co-worker.

[zmanH2]

I really don't get it all

Example:
How can a $65k Hummer H2 be about the same money factor compared to a $30k Toyota Prius assuming they both last 200k miles (dust-to-dust)? Can somebody elaborate please.

In fact here's a question from one of my co-workers already. He owns an Infiniti FX-45:

"I think there is a big flaw in the analysis of this data.
I looked at a few Nissan products with the same power trains.

The, FX35/45 $3.029 most FX?s are 3.5 L but some are 4.5 L ,
Murano $2.510 has the 3.5 L V-6,
350Z $2.193 has the 3.5 L V-6
G35 $1.777 has the 3.5 L V-6
Some Altimas have 3.5 L V-6s and others have 2.5L 4 cyl Altima $1.381
There is some fuel economy differences, but not a whole lot.
I would like a table so we could see how much of this energy cost is fuel, batteries, waste disposal, and materials on each car.
The fuel costs have to be way out of line. At $3.00 per gallon and 15 mpg, I get $0.20 per mile.
Top cost on a $45,000 car over 150,000 miles is $0.30 for car plus $0.20 for fuel which is $0.50 per mile.
I suppose we could add a little for oil changes, tires, and parts over the car lifetime, but insurance and the like are not energy costs. Every energy cost per mile far exceeds my quick and dirty maximum cost analysis. I looked at total dollars spent that could be attributed to energy costs, so either I am missing something, this study is seriously flawed or is propaganda. There are a lot of flat earth society type reports, so it is hard to separate the truth from fiction."

[Gunzz]

OK just my thoughts. I think people on welfare are the cause of global warming. I believe that since they cannot afford a car and have to take those smog spewing city buses back and forth everywhere that they are the direct cause of it. And with SO many welfare recipients taking the buses they are overloading the system and causing more buses to be put on the streets even spewing more pollution and smog into the air.

SO they should leave us Hummer owners alone and make these bus taking welfare people get jobs and stop taking the black smoke pouring public transportion system. Then they to could buy Hummers and lower my tax load, so that I could contribute more money to alternative fuel exploration.

[OldHiker]

[Prelector]

Originally Posted by mkaresh

Just think about those numbers posted earlier in the thread. Do you really think owners of everyday cars are spending $3 per mile to operate them? That's about $36,000 per year.

Clearly, the researchers engaged in some wild and crazy assumptions. Personally, seeing results like these would have sent me back to the drawing board.

My blog post on the study:

http://www.truedelta.com/blog/?p=48

First, quoting and referencing yourself to prove your own point is "wild and crazy"... Try referencing a valid source of some kind to back up your assertions, otherwise it's all just hot air...

Second, your rebuttal completely misses the mark as to what the report is showing: The report calculates a TOTAL COST per driven mile of a vehicle. That is, the total cost to manufacture, operate, and dispose of the vehicle, amortized over the total life miles of the vehicle as reported by the manufacturer; they are not saying the vehicle costs $.492 per mile to OPERATE (the numbers you're reporting).

When you figure in the costs to manufacture the vehicle, and the costs to destroy the vehicle at the end of it's life, the number they came up with is $.492. As such, the miles driven per year is completely irrelevant, and you can't come up with a yearly cost of the vehicle, since that would be forcing the numbers into something they don't fit.

They are saying that if you built this vehicle yourself, from scratch (but using the manufacturers facilites and costs), drove this vehicle for it's entire lifetime miles, then had to destroy the vehicle yourself (back to scratch?). The cost to you would figure out to $.492 per mile.

Now, I'm not saying their figures are correct, I'm explaining what their figures show.