I had a mishap at the gas pump

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by fourfourto

It happened in the H3 not the olds

I havent driven the olds for a couple of months,I took it ourt for a spin today and it was breaking up at 5,000 rpms.
I probobly need a new distributor cap ,sitting in the humid weather this happens every couple of years.
Ill get a new one tommorow .

I understand...

Was referring to your handle 442 re: "YOUR DARWIN AWARD"

[fourfourto]

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

I understand...

Was referring to your handle 442 re: "YOUR DARWIN AWARD"

I thought you had a senior moment
Anyway Olds 442 Oh yeh !

Old muscle cars rule, no emissions or computers, EZ to work on ,I just changed the plugs and put in a new distributor cap/rotor only took about 20 minutes.Revin good to 6,500 rpms.
I just went up by the golf course and left a 100 foot posi burnout

Dont you have a old ford

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by fourfourto

I thought you had a senior moment
Anyway Olds 442 Oh yeh !

Old muscle cars rule, no emissions or computers, EZ to work on ,I just changed the plugs and put in a new distributor cap/rotor only took about 20 minutes.Revin good to 6,500 rpms.
I just went up by the golf course and left a 100 foot posi burnout

Dont you have a old ford

Sold my 64 1/2 mustang, 260 cid, 3 on the floor, hurst shifter, doug thorley headers, 3 " shackles, no chrome - shaved etc etc (OH - NO A/C, no heater & AM radio only)

[lennyrebel]

Originally Posted by fourfourto

I didnt wedge the lever open,it had a clip.
The point isnt I had it running its the pump didnt shut off
I mentioned it because it blew out black smoke and stalled.I thought others hear might find that interesting.

The attendant was lucky I wasnt in a bad mood and made them pay for a detail and the gas I lost.
There would have been trouble if the guy said I had to clean it up...Ya right its my fault the pump didnt shut off.
Most parts of Ny you can pump yourself (some towns are full serve only )and they remove the lock clip (on long island) when its self serve ,so the station had improper pumps .Something was also wrong with the pump for it not to shut off.

Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

[H3PAC]

Originally Posted by lennyrebel

Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

Yeah, I'll bet you can really service a nozzle.

[Steve #1]

Originally Posted by lennyrebel

Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

Now there is a reasonable answer to the question.

Why should you turn the engine off? It prevents the auto shutoff from working properly.

Just thought I'd point that out incase anyone missed it like I almost did because of Lenny's crappy attitude.

Lenny, perhaps YOU should look in the mirror before you tell someone they?re stupid and to grow up. Somebody not knowing the inner working of a gas pump does not make them stupid. My guess would be that over 99% of the population doesn?t know the inner workings of a gas pump. I?d like to think that a larger portion of the population knows how to have an intelligent discussion.

I'm new to this forum, and this is only my third post. I must ask, what's with all the negative attitude here? Is it always like this?

[Steve #1]

Originally Posted by Steve #1

Now there is a reasonable answer to the question.

Why should you turn the engine off? It prevents the auto shutoff from working properly.

After giving it some thought, this explanation doesnt even work for me. In order for the running engine to create negative pressure, the engine would need to be consuming fuel faster then the pump can pump it in. Even the most thirsty engine isn't going to be using a noticeable amount of fuel at idle.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by [COLOR=red

lennyrebel[/color]]Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

lenny, you are a very negative person... many, not always but many times you put you mouth (typing finger) in motion before your awake...

there are enough negative, power hungry people on here already and by you adding to that minority you are lowering the standards of the forum

[BKLYNH2]

when the pump shut off failed on me the engine was off.

[RuggedH2]

Originally Posted by H3PAC

Yeah, I'll bet you can really service a nozzle.

[fourfourto]

lenny (what kind of name is lenny your parents)

I still dont think having it running has anything to do with the nozzle not working properly,Its the idiot that didnt service it properly(did you service the nozzle at the hess station in selden NY ?)
Or do you mostly service the nozzles at the peep shows in NYC .(I bet he started there moping up the spew off the floor and worked his way up to sevicing nozzles. )


Just because your a rebel you dont have to act like a A$$

[lamric]

Originally Posted by Steve #1

After giving it some thought, this explanation doesnt even work for me. In order for the running engine to create negative pressure, the engine would need to be consuming fuel faster then the pump can pump it in. Even the most thirsty engine isn't going to be using a noticeable amount of fuel at idle.

...That and the fact that the nozzle is in air and not fluid until the tank is full. There's no way you could pull enough vacuum down the fuel filler to trip the nozzle at engine idle.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_263.html

[lennyrebel]

Originally Posted by lamric

...That and the fact that the nozzle is in air and not fluid until the tank is full. There's no way you could pull enough vacuum down the fuel filler to trip the nozzle at engine idle.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_263.html

I guess your failure to understand how the charcoal canister and assorted tubing relates to the filler neck adds to your misunderstanding. Because I don't want to see a massive explosion I guess I'm the fall guy. No understanding some peoples logic.

[lamric]

Originally Posted by lennyrebel

Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen


I guess your failure to understand how the charcoal canister and assorted tubing relates to the filler neck adds to your misunderstanding. Because I don't want to see a massive explosion I guess I'm the fall guy. No understanding some peoples logic.

Uh....I don't see any mention of the filler neck, tubing and charcoal filter in your post about the workings of the nozzle. We were discussing your post about how the engine running could keep "back pressure" from shutting off the pump. In reality it isn't back pressure that shuts off the pump, it's vacuum.
I never said that filling the tank with the engine running is a good idea. I don't agree with your explaination of why it isn't.

[fourfourto]

Apparently the truck running had nothing to do with it Lenny (where you from... canada )

The danger level is crazy high when the pump sticks.
(Even if I was standing there I would have used the lock,then the gas would have sprayed back on me )

The danger level is rather low pumping with the engine running .(very stupid thing to do anyway )

[SR1355]

I think I left the truck running....

[Desert Dan]

Some more gasoline safety humor

[lamric]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4bT...related&search=

I think I found the real reason you should shut your engine off.

[Steve #1]

Allow me to give this almost dead horse one last blow.

Per the Texas State Fire Marshal's Director of Special Projects in responce to my question:

#1: "I have noticed that almost every gasoline pump has a sign on it with a number of warnings, the first of which is almost always "stop motor while fueling" or something to that effect. I'm curious if this is due to a risk of fire. If it is due to a fire risk, what is the specific factor, and how is it more of a risk than for instance, a vehicle with an engine idling next to one that is fueling."

WS:"This is a fire related requirement. It is to lower the posibility of ignition from the engine. The proxmity of the motor to the tank being filled versus the adjacent vehicles seperated by distance fom the despensing is the reasoning."

#1: "Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.

How often are fires caused by fueling with the engine running, and are there any laws against running the engine while fueling?"

WS: "Most fires at stations are caused when people do not return the hose to the despenser and drive off wiht the hose still in the task. This is why the despensers have to be equipped with hose break a way devices on the despensers.. Few incidents are now traced to the running of a vehicle motor while filling. This is probably because most people follow the law and shut off their engines."

[lance-n]

Originally Posted by Steve #1

Allow me to give this almost dead horse one last blow.

Per the Texas State Fire Marshal's Director of Special Projects in responce to my question:

#1: "I have noticed that almost every gasoline pump has a sign on it with a number of warnings, the first of which is almost always "stop motor while fueling" or something to that effect. I'm curious if this is due to a risk of fire. If it is due to a fire risk, what is the specific factor, and how is it more of a risk than for instance, a vehicle with an engine idling next to one that is fueling."

WS:"This is a fire related requirement. It is to lower the posibility of ignition from the engine. The proxmity of the motor to the tank being filled versus the adjacent vehicles seperated by distance fom the despensing is the reasoning."

#1: "Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.

How often are fires caused by fueling with the engine running, and are there any laws against running the engine while fueling?"

WS: "Most fires at stations are caused when people do not return the hose to the despenser and drive off wiht the hose still in the task. This is why the despensers have to be equipped with hose break a way devices on the despensers.. Few incidents are now traced to the running of a vehicle motor while filling. This is probably because most people follow the law and shut off their engines."

or maybe it is really because running motors don't cause gas station fires.
here in mexico, they don't allow you to use your cell phone while they are filling your tank. risk of fire, risk of digital pump reset? who knows?!?!?!?