Transmission Slips?

[Michael1]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

That's right, manuals never break; clutches don't wear, pressure plates don't break. (If you believe that, I have some ocean front property right outside Moab for sale. )

I never say never, BUUUUTTT, if you know how to drive a manual, which sadly most people don't, you have a lot more control over clutch wear than you do with an automatic. The only clutch slip you should have with a manual is on startup, and if you let the RPM drop below idle, even that is just about negligible. Automatic? Clutches are slipping on every shift, as well as, on torque converter lockup. Pulling a trailer? That tears up the automatic's clutches on every shift. Again, the manual will only see the clutch wear once per startup. The synchros don't wear any differently at zero throttle or full throttle.

I've had 10 cars with manuals, and only one failure, a throw-out bearing due my not checking the clutch pedal freeplay. Clutch was still good at over 100,000 miles. On the other hand, I've had two cars with automatics, and both started slipping before 80,000 miles, and they were driven gently because I didn't want transmission problems.

Aamco didn't make a business on manual transmissions.

Don't take my word for it, though. Take a look at any of the forums. Even corrected for sales penetration, there are always many more problems with automatics: slipping, jerking, not shifting properly, not going into gear, noises, burned fluid, etc.

I'll stick to my nice simple manual transmission, where I control the wear and tear.

Dave, for you, I'd stick with the automatic. It's tough to drive with a beer in one hand with a manual.

Michael

I like manuals in my sports cars personally. Automatics I prefer in trucks especially if some towing is planned.

S.

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by Michael1

I never say never, BUUUUTTT, if you know how to drive a manual, which sadly most people don't, you have a lot more control over clutch wear than you do with an automatic. The only clutch slip you should have with a manual is on startup, and if you let the RPM drop below idle, even that is just about negligible. Automatic? Clutches are slipping on every shift, as well as, on torque converter lockup. Pulling a trailer? That tears up the automatic's clutches on every shift. Again, the manual will only see the clutch wear once per startup. The synchros don't wear any differently at zero throttle or full throttle.

I've had 10 cars with manuals, and only one failure, a throw-out bearing due my not checking the clutch pedal freeplay. Clutch was still good at over 100,000 miles. On the other hand, I've had two cars with automatics, and both started slipping before 80,000 miles, and they were driven gently because I didn't want transmission problems.

Aamco didn't make a business on manual transmissions.

Don't take my word for it, though. Take a look at any of the forums. Even corrected for sales penetration, there are always many more problems with automatics: slipping, jerking, not shifting properly, not going into gear, noises, burned fluid, etc.

I'll stick to my nice simple manual transmission, where I control the wear and tear.

Dave, for you, I'd stick with the automatic. It's tough to drive with a beer in one hand with a manual.

Michael

And MAACO, the same original owner did not make a fortune painting new cars, eiither.
I will admit, manuals are for people who know how to shift, but most don't. Mauals are fantastic when stuck in sand or climbing big rocks. Never have to ride the clutch....

However, I will agree, manuals when driving correctly do save at least $3.00 per year on fuel costs.

[evldave]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

However, I will agree, manuals when driving correctly do save at least $3.00 per year on fuel costs.

ROFLMAO!!!

[Michael1]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

However, I will agree, manuals when driving correctly do save at least $3.00 per year on fuel costs.

You guys are just jealous that I'm saving all this money!

Michael

[Chip]

My two cents: I like the auto for rock crawling with the adventure package. You don't have to keep working the clutch. Plus you get stabilitrack which is useful for twisty gravel roads. The only problem is that there is a lag, descending steep grades, shifting between 2nd and 3rd, which causes the H-3 to jump down the hill as the torque converter engages. It's smother if you ride the brakes rather than use the gears for engine braking. I hate that.

[Michael1]

Originally Posted by Chip

My two cents: I like the auto for rock crawling with the adventure package. You don't have to keep working the clutch. Plus you get stabilitrack which is useful for twisty gravel roads. The only problem is that there is a lag, descending steep grades, shifting between 2nd and 3rd, which causes the H-3 to jump down the hill as the torque converter engages. It's smother if you ride the brakes rather than use the gears for engine braking. I hate that.

StabiliTrak is now standard on all models (includng manuals) for '07.

Michael