I'm thinking about switching over to the other team.

[bparker]

In my 13 yrs in the IT field - Mac users = Non attractive, socially disassociated, self righteous, egotistical a$$holes.

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

I had to use a Mac for an art class I took, and I hated it... I would stick with Windows! -Easy, reliable, easy.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I've been reading all the posts about your question and I think you should switch because...

[The Green Lantern]

Mac for life here, G5 is great! I also have a 17" Powerbook G4 for over two years now and no problem at all, I can't wait for the G5 notebook to come out though, (probably not) but the Macbook Pro is really great. Apple is the only way (for me).

[DennisAJC]

Originally Posted by Hummer Aficionado_VT

I would stick with Windows! -Easy, reliable, easy.

Meth is baaad........Mmmmmkay?

[3Hummer]

go with windows!!!! The new windows vista is awsome, and so are the new sony laptops to go along with it thats what i have!

[The Green Lantern]

Originally Posted by 3Hummer

go with windows!!!! The new windows vista is awsome, and so are the new sony laptops to go along with it thats what i have!

Switch to Mac....do now!

Check this out - http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...clm=MacBookPro


Sweet!!!

[ssgharkness020147]

Thats what I've been thinking about. But, only in 17 inch screen.

Originally Posted by The Green Lantern

Switch to Mac....do now!

Check this out - http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...clm=MacBookPro


Sweet!!!

[marin8703]

Check this out, for teh price of the mac, you can get this baby loaded and it'll be tons better than the mac. This is turning into an advertisement campaigne.

[usetosellhummer]

iS'NT GOING HOMO AND OR BUYING A JEEP THE SAME THING?

[ssgharkness020147]

Uhm... What is it?

Originally Posted by marin8703

Check this out, for teh price of the mac, you can get this baby loaded and it'll be tons better than the mac. This is turning into an advertisement campaigne.

[BKLYNH2]

Originally Posted by marin8703

Check this out, for teh price of the mac, you can get this baby loaded and it'll be tons better than the mac. This is turning into an advertisement campaigne.

Exactly what I was saying - for the price of a mac you can get a pc loaded with everything the mac already has.!

[NJHummerGuy]

Originally Posted by ssgharkness020147

Thats what I've been thinking about. But, only in 17 inch screen.

I couldn't get past page 2 with out having to jump in.

I have just gone to a new macbook pro. It is intel based and fantastic. I am a Unix/Windows Engineer and have been in IT for over 12 years. The MAC is a fantastic system. Run parallels on it and you can run any OS you want. I currently run, MAC OSX, Solaris 10, CentOS 4.4, CentOS 5 and XP all on one machine. It is great! Go with MAC.

[KenP]

Since you all aren't talking laptops, I'd get this one. All I do is fart around on the internet messing with people anyway.

I'm quite sure you can't get an Apple for this price.

BTW, the laptop I'm on was under $400 and I can fck with people just fine with it.

[Boar-Ral]

I have owned several PCs and Apple computers over the past several years and the more that things change, the more they remain the same.

Despite what many Apple owners told me prior to purchasing my first PowerBook, OS X does bloat with time. Booting takes longer, programs run slower, and things crash more often. I am not speaking in terms of years, but weeks. I do not use my PowerBook for anything heavy duty, nor do I tweak with settings that I should not be touching, but within six weeks, my PowerBook will often not come out of sleep mode and when it does, either wireless or Bluetooth is broken and requires a reset. The problem grows worse until reseting the computer does not fix the problem. At that point, I am faced with reinstalling OS X.

When this does not happen, I am plagued several times per week with applications that crash and require a restart. These applications are not even third-party, but applications from Apple, including Safari and Mail. Speaking of Mail, it occasionally makes a nasty habit of ****ting the bed and losing all of its settings including preferences, mail accounts, and mail.

Not only are thse problems that I experience regularly, but they are problems we experience everywhere here. Three years ago, the owners of the company I work at decided to dump PCs in favour of Apple computers, and everything I have stated here also occurs at work on a very regular basis. (The owners are very pro-Apple and very much form over function. They are the type of people to gloat over gold plated **** just because it is gold plated, even though at the end of the day it is still ****.)

And the problems with Apple computers do not end with software. If you do purchase one, by all means purchase Applecare, their extended warranty. We operate over 70 Apple computers here and with no exaggeration, about three-quarters have required hardware replacement. Fortunately, the problem is almost always the same: a logic board replacement. Your keyboard could stop working or your power adapter could stop working and the solution is always to replace the logic board. The bad news is that without extended warranty, these boards cost nearly $700.

As I write this, I currently have two PowerBooks, one iMac, and one G5 next to my desk waiting for Apple technicians to arrive to repair them.

Can PCs experience the same problem? Of course. But do not think for a moment that simply switching to Apple is going to eliminate these problems. It won't. And many people underestimate the amount of software they use that simply isn't available for OS X. Several employees have jumped ship on their home systems and went Apple even after I repeatedly asked them if they had any software that required a PC. Most of them thought of one or two programs that they could do without, but after getting rid of their PC, almost all of them come to me the next week and ask if "Program X" is available for OS X. And then they have the nerve to get upset at me when I tell them that it is not. Like it is my problem that they are deaf and stupid.

My point is that you use what works for you. I would recommend you try one out at the local store before you put down your money on one. As I first said, I use both PCs and Apple computers regularly and they both have their place. In a business environment with basic applications, they work well, so long as you have Applecare and can have the repairs performed as soon as possible to prevent downtime. (This can be a problem if there are no Apple-certified repair centers nearby.) In any other circumstance, I would stress purchasing a PC. If you stick to a name brand you will be more likely to get well built hardware and a name brand computer will ensure that every piece of hardware in it is certified to work well with Windows -- it is in their best interest to keep technical support calls to a minimum. And repairs can be made anywhere and by almost anyone. Even in the middle of nowhere, hundreds of kilometers from the nearest major city, we can get a Dell technician here the next day with parts and have our computers working. I have yet to see Apple get a technician here in less than 10 business days.

So there you have it. Take it as you would like. I am simply offering my experience with Apple, and it is not positive. I work with them daily, and in great numbers, and so I feel it is a better representation. (If you want biased one computer owner feedback, my parents have a PC that has not crashed once and works flawlessly. But I wouldn't use it to generalize how good PCs are.)

A final word of advice: do not install third-party "Windows fixers." Not only are most applications that are advertised to speed up your computer and clean it up really loaded with malware, but you've just sunk another $xx into software that does nothing, best case scenario. Even reputable software usually does not make a big enough difference to be worth your money. There is a reason many people call it "Norton Systemdoesn'tworks." Use a simple antivirus program like McAfee Antivirus, Norton Antivirus, or AVG Antivirus which is free, and an antispyware application like Windows Defender, and leave it at that. It will take care of you so long as you keep it updated and keep Windows updated. I cannot stress this enough. If I had a penny for every time I saw an employee abort a Windows update because it "slowed down their computer," I could afford another PowerBook. (i.e. I would be rich.) People who complain about their computer's performance while doing such obvious things to compromise it make me want to weep because I know I will be performing cleanup down the road.

Sorry to run on about this, but I have had to deal with this sort of situation often and I know that you need to be informed before you purchase it because each situation is as unique as the person using it. I recommended an iMac to my in-laws last week, but I know their situation.

So there you go. Definitely more than just my two cents.

[KS Trekker]

Originally Posted by bparker

In my 13 yrs in the IT field - Mac users = Non attractive, socially disassociated, self righteous, egotistical a$$holes.

I am a (MCSE) Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer and I couldn't agree more. If Macs are so much better, why do Apple users continually feel the need to bash PCs? Most guys I know in IT that own Macs end up working on Microsoft or some type of UNIX in the workplace because very few companies use Macs. Mac has some nice eye candy, but I think Vista will narrow the gap. Just make sure you can buy the fastest PC you can afford for Vista.

[bparker]

Every mac I have ever seen has Windows on it (Virtual PC or some variant)

[BKLYNH2]

Originally Posted by d?i???????

Don't do it.

If you primarily use PCs, a Mac will be useless. You will end up using VirtualPC almost all the time and it will be slow. All that crap about Macs is not true, my powerbook crashed all the time, it was annoying. Virus... not many for mac, but how many have you had on your PCs? Software compatibility issues, yes... lots. Look up programs you use and see if it's available on Mac, if it's not Photoshop then probably not! Yes, they can get bogged down like any other computer.

I've used PCs all of my life and could not get used to my powerbook, I ended up running VirtualPC on it 90% of the time and pretty much using it as a wireless monitor for my PCs using vnc.

You can get a lot more computer for the price as well.

To prove how much Macs suck... watch when DRTY quotes this and can't even get my name to show up properly!

You're INTEL is so outdated you sound like a fool the new macs run on intel processors, and can actually run windows, if you choose, virtual PC is over. I have used Macs since the apple IIE and have not had a virus ever. As far as your crashes are concerned were they in Virtual PC because that would be attributing the crash of your mac to a windows failure. VPC was almost always spotty anyway. If you need PC only programs by all means stick with a PC. If you like to surf the web, manage and alter photos, movies, music, video, need a spreadsheet, word processor, presentation, database, cad, animation, calander, contact management, basic tax or accounting, or email program you will do well with a mac and you'll do it with style and very intuitively. There I think I've covered the needs of 90% of the universe. Oh that's right if you have no life and really want to play cool games all the time buy an xboxor ps3. Macs cost more but a lot of the extra items you need to add to a pc ,like a wireless card for instance are already built into the mac, so the mac is good for people who want their computer to do things straight out of the box rather than requiring some Best buy IT a*hole to set it up for them.I have used both systems and can't emphasize enough how so many things that are so easy on a mac are chores on a pc. Now lets talk about where every PC innovation comes from.......... APPLE their operating system continuosly tries to emulate the mac os when are you dunces going to realise this. Every new use for a computer comes out on a mac first and then the PC world tries to match it.

[BKLYNH2]

Originally Posted by marin8703

I have to agree with D, on almost everything. MAC besides popular beleife (what's the matter is your spell check crashed?)crash lots and ltos of times unless you baby it. The PC crashes about the same as a MAC, when overloaded a mac would crash just as easily as a PC, its just that MAC users dont do much that requires so overloading, hehe, maybe they do. Ok aside from that being completely incoherrent I ask again what the hell do you people do that reqires such unbelievable processor power. They animate tv shows and movies on MACS under tight time deadlines with heavier processor requirements than most of you can conceive of using.

The thing about Viruses, forget about that mith, might have been true once but not anymore, MAC will get viruses, they are not invisable machines and their code is not written by an imortal.Ok I'm not even going to bother with the poor spelling and poor grammar anymore, its everywhere. How is it a myth if your own statement implies that mac viral infections are coming in the FUTURE. PC's are a greater target for viruses and will always be, in the future viruses will diminish as operating systems become designed to internally thwart virus attacks. This will apply to all, by the way, in the mean time you are still way safer with a MAC, FACT

Software cabailities, big issue. You wont find out how big the issue is untill you get the MAC. Even simple software that you would think is universal is not there for MAC. I had a MAC about a year ago, for about 2 months, and gave it away as a present cauze it sucked so much, couldnt get any software for it, that i needed, only some gay video software. What kind of ghey software were you looking for? a meatspin screen saver? You're going to need to elaborate. You might have an easier time finding the software you need if you took your head out of your ass.

I did like their user interface, but Vista is matching that rite now. Donno how much vista is an improvement over XP but so far it seems like alot. There will be patches and things coming out probably to fix small things, just like in a first year model car/truck. Funny when apple releases a new version of OS people race to embrace it when windows does they cringe. You've already admitted that XP needed improvement and that vista will be full of bugs, oh boy I can't wait to run out and put that junk in my computer.

My school just upgraded 7 of the 30 some laboratories to Vista and they are booked all the time, the XP labs and the 4-5 MAC labs are almost empty. I used Vista several days ago, and it is much faster at loading programs compared to XP, it looks better, and apperantly it is safer (for some). Viruses are nothing to worry about if you know how to protect yourself. On my other computer I have absolutely no antivisrus or antispyware program installed and have not received a virus ever. (I do an internet scan once in a while so that I know).You're fine use of the english language and your exemplary spelling suggest that we should not be impressed by the decisions made at your school.

So my advise is if you have used windows, get a Vista Premium computer and enjoy, you wont be dissapointed. Im looking at some HPs rite now cauze im palnning on buyng too, and they are awsome.

You have fun with that

[Boar-Ral]

Originally Posted by BKLYNH2

Funny when apple releases a new version of OS people race to embrace it when windows does they cringe. You've already admitted that XP needed improvement and that vista will be full of bugs, oh boy I can't wait to run out and put that junk in my computer.

Operating system updates occur on any platform. The biggest difference between is how the companies decide to handle them.

For the past several months, a group of hackers has been finding security holes in OS X and relaying the information to Apple, where it was rebuffed. At a computer expo last month, they exploited several of these security holes in front of a crowd. Guess what? Within one week, Apple had released a series of security updates to OS X. In addition, the hacking group has backed away from Apple and has indicated that in the future they will not be providing Apple with advanced notice and will instead make their findings immediately known on the internet.

If anyone would care to take a look at some of the recent updates to OS X you might be interested in seeing how serious some of the vulnerabilities are. The best part is how an OS X update summarizes everything as "miscellaneous security updates." Apple realizes that this is one of the few marketing ploys they have left.

Good job, Apple.