My girlfriend wants a prius

[lennyrebel]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it's time to dump her. If you need any help throwing her stuff out on the lawn, let us know.

X2 maybe kick her to the curb on recycle day and we'll take a look at her. Know what they say if you start takin her **** she'll have you on a steady diet.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

I agree on the safety issue. Her 07 legacy outback has great crash ratings and AWD. Plus it hauls everything she needs for her son (wheelchair, walker and stuff). She's not in a huge hurry, but if she can fit all that stuff in the Prius, she's really going to want one.

She'll probably fit this, and more, in the Prius. Waa waaa waaaaah, for you. Since the back seats fold down, there's a whole lot of cargo space. The flush bumper also assists easy loading. But, she'll need to know that longer drives are where she'll recognize the best mileage. If she's commuting in 10 minute intervals, she'll probably only see 40 mpg. If she's driving for more than 20 minutes, she'll see 50's and up. Get on the road for more than a half hour or so and you'll be running 75 mpg trips. Colder temps = less mpg and mileage increases with duration of ownership, so she'll need to keep that in mind as well. The only negative things I've heard about the Prius is that if it gets stuck in snow, it's hard to get out. This is due to the anti skid system and the problem isn't a "Prius" problem. The Prius handles reliably in snow and ice otherwise. The other negative is seat comfort.

If she's interested in only short, city trips where speed is limited to 35 mph, an electric vehicle may do her well. Conversion kits are sold for around $10m-$15m. Think of it, she could convert her current car and never, ever have to buy a tank of gas or change her oil and filters again. The conversion would pay for itself in short order. And, you wouldn't (as someone else mentioned) be the laughing stock of your neighborhood as no one would suspect you're affiliated with a greenie (why this is bad is beyond me. Don't we all drink the same water and breathe the same air?) If she considers this, she best make sure her range is covered and make sure to take into account any winter cold conditions as range drops by around 25%, from what I've read.

So far as maintenance is concerned on the Prius, it doesn't require any extra maintenance than does a conventional car (the brake system actually lasts longer). The hybrid components are warrantied for 8 years/100,000 miles. If concerned, she could always opt for the extended warranty. There's supposedly a Canadian taxi Prius fleet with their initial hybrid components with well over 100,000 miles logged.

Sheesh, what a bunch of macho types on this thread. Is this supposed to be appealing? I'm wondering how long y'all's relationships are lasting if you hassle and ditch your significant others about something as menial as a car purchase. I give the OP credit for not being imposing and instead being open minded to her views. Sounds like she's got enough problems being a single mom and caring for a handicapped(?) child without having to worry that her car purchase is going to create a rift in her relationship.

[dеiтайожни]

Zoe brings up a good point. That's what she is going to become if she gets a Prius. Your very own Zoe. She is going to become annoying, put her nose in places it doesn't belong and try to force her views and opinions on you every waking minute. In no time she will be telling you the best way to piss standing up and that you don't need anything more than what she has.

But no worries... she will likely die very shortly after getting a Prius when she gets into a fender bender, touches the frame and is electrocuted. It will probably start the car on fire and the firemen will have to wait for instructions on how to handle the electricity so they don't die as well, all while a child is trapped inside the vehicle. Tragic.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Well, I'm not afraid of her turning into a ultraliberal, ecoterrorist just because she wants to save gas. Besides, she loves the H3. We went on a killer trip to Ouray and Moab a couple of weeks ago. She got a real taste of wheeling and was amazed by what our trucks can do offroad and how comfortable it was to travel in.

[dеiтайожни]

I don't know, I wouldn't risk it. You know I worry about her sometimes, not to mention a child just died in the vehicle fire. Honestly, I have to hear her say she is no longer considering the Prius before I will be able to sleep. I'll PM you my number.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

I don't know, I wouldn't risk it. You know I worry about her sometimes, not to mention a child just died in the vehicle fire. Honestly, I have to hear her say she is no longer considering the Prius before I will be able to sleep. I'll PM you my number.

Your concern is touching ... and well, kind of scary. Did you catch what Dennis has? I was hoping that wasn't contagious

[Sewie]

Originally Posted by Steve - SanJose

There are other choices for hybrids that are not nearly as lame or ugly.

Same could be said for girlfriends.

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by zoe1

Waa waaa waaaaah.

ENVIRONMENTAL COST:

The Toyota Prius Hybrid: $3.24 a mile
The Honda Civic hybrid: $3.23 a mile
The Big Awesome Shweet AZZ H2 Hummer: $3.02 a mile
and the H3: $1.94 a mile

And that nickel mine in Sudburry, Ontario, one of the world’s worst environmental messes, saying it is the largest single point source for acid raid-causing chemicals in North America.

It is also the place where Toyota gets the nickel for the batteries that run its hybrid vehicles.

The nickel is smelted, removed from the rock and then it is shipped by container ship to Wales for refining.

Its trip takes it to China where it is turned into nickel foam, then on to Japan to Toyota’s battery plant.

The trip, start to finish, is more than 10,000 miles, mostly on heavy polluting container ships.

But Wanna-be,

Get her whatever she wants! She is really cute and your ugly azz prolly won't find another like her.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

ENVIRONMENTAL COST:

The Toyota Prius Hybrid: $3.24 a mile
The Honda Civic hybrid: $3.23 a mile
The Big Awesome Shweet AZZ H2 Hummer: $3.02 a mile
and the H3: $1.94 a mile

This has already proven to be non factual. I said it before in another thread, the Hummer was provided with a 300,000 mile life span and the Prius a 100,000 mile life span which has provided this huge disparity. But besides that, I was thinking about this last night. The environmental cost of the daily oil spills that are occurring are frequently never recognized or assessed. More frequently they are ignored and remain to contaminate the environment and the livelihoods of the people native to the land that can no longer fish for sustenance and a means of income. And, it doesn't just happen overseas to poor people, it happens here too. The ruptured pipeline in Alaska, the enormous oil spill that recently occurred due to the flooding..... So, until the oil industry gets their act together and cleans up their daily mess, the environmental cost for owing ANY car cannot be adequately assessed. It's quite logical, however, that any car that uses more gas will have a much higher environmental operating cost when this is taken into account. There's no disputing that.

I've no idea why you guys are on me so much. I've provided you with a very reasonable summary of the Prius and basically said that if she's not going to be driving it for periods of time over 10 minutes, the car may not be for her as she won't recognized the full economic value of the car. Totally unbiased review.

Maybe one day when you're off roading in an area that I helped protect from development, or you hike or hunt a pristine area that I've helped clear of invasive species, you'll appreciate me more. Sniffle.

[RuggedH2]

Is she serious? Really? Come on.....this has to be a put on here, right?

I am LMFAO! A real live crazy liberal making arguments for the enviro-mentally insane........ here at Elcova??

This has potential, I hope she sticks around for awhile. Maybe she can convert some of us.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by 03H3

Is she serious? Really? Come on.....this has to be a put on here, right?

I am LMFAO! A real live crazy liberal making arguments for the enviro-mentally insane........ here at Elcova??

This has potential, I hope she sticks around for awhile. Maybe she can convert some of us.

Thanks. I knew someone would appreciate me, even if it's just for the entertainment value. My sniffles have turned to a smile. I just hope that rubber duck lady doesn't come around or she'll ruin my new found glee.

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by zoe1

This has already proven to be non factual. I said it before in another thread, the Hummer was provided with a 300,000 mile life span and the Prius a 100,000 mile life span which has provided this huge disparity. But besides that, I was thinking about this last night. The environmental cost of the daily oil spills that are occurring are frequently never recognized or assessed. More frequently they are ignored and remain to contaminate the environment and the livelihoods of the people native to the land that can no longer fish for sustenance and a means of income. And, it doesn't just happen overseas to poor people, it happens here too. The ruptured pipeline in Alaska, the enormous oil spill that recently occurred due to the flooding..... So, until the oil industry gets their act together and cleans up their daily mess, the environmental cost for owing ANY car cannot be adequately assessed. It's quite logical, however, that any car that uses more gas will have a much higher environmental operating cost when this is taken into account. There's no disputing that. The container ships trump SUVs in oil consumption.

I've no idea why you guys are on me so much. I've provided you with a very reasonable summary of the Prius and basically said that if she's not going to be driving it for periods of time over 10 minutes, the car may not be for her as she won't recognized the full economic value of the car. Totally unbiased review.

Maybe one day when you're off roading in an area that I helped protect from development, or you hike or hunt a pristine area that I've helped clear of invasive species, you'll appreciate me more. Sniffle.

Yup, you got it. So...Why are you here anyway?

The Prius was amortized over 100,000-plus miles for a number of reasons.

The 100,000 mile life expectancy for Prius is time as well as distance sensitive. The historical data shows early Prius models were driven an average of only 6,700 miles per year (rounded). At that rate, the vehicle would require 15 years to reach 100,000 miles. It was our determination that is highly unlikely the '05 or '06 Prius models would still be in active service let alone serviceable 15 years from today.

The reason for this is twofold: First, the first and second generation Prius hybrid technologies are rapidly being replaced by lighter, more efficient systems for the new and upcoming Prius versions.

Historically, vehicles that become obsolete have a shorter life span (in time) than existing or serviceable technology.

Second, competitive vehicles to Prius are being planned by virtually all automakers using either Prius-like dual-mode or plug-in hybrid technology (e.g. Chevrolet Volt). This competition, looking at the historic context which is all we can do, is likely to drive the value of older technology Prius models lower. We've already seen the early stages of this happening with decreasing used values for all of the original batch of hybrids.
At some point, economic considerations make it far more practical for owners (or dealers who receive them in trade) to "retire" the vehicles because a limited used-vehicle market would exist for it. Again, in Prius's case this is time, not necessarily only mileage, sensitive.

Can the Prius be driven more than 100,000 miles? Of course. The vehicle is superbly engineered. But this assumes the average Prius driver begins using the car more often. If the Prius were driven the American average of 13,000 miles per year, it would hit the 100,000 mile mark in 7.6 years, well within its attractive (financially and technologically) useful life span. In 10 years, again about the maximum for ground-breaking technology, it would have registered 130,000 miles. Mechanically, there is no logical reason for the Prius not to last 130,000 miles or more.

The latest data shows Prius owners are driving more than early Prius owners and the use of the vehicle is becoming a primary means of transportation in a household rather than a novelty. But the average annual mileage, outside of certain southern-tier states, remains barely above 7,000 per year.

Other components on the Prius, such as tires, are less distance-mileage friendly than non-hybrids of the same size and weight. For example, surveys of Prius owners by us and other research companies show barely 16,000 miles average life for original-equipment tires compared to 43,000 for Toyota Corolla. This high-tech tire uses a compound and design that reduces rolling resistance and thus improves fuel economy. But the typical replacement tire for a Prius will not likely be the OEM specialty variety, cutting both fuel economy and distance-per-battery charge of the Prius.

As for Hummer, much of the design, development and manufacturing energy costs are spread across more than just this single model. (One of the original and recent Prius disadvantages, quickly being turned around.)
In addition, the platform, power train and other mechanical components are shared with a variety of other GM products and have a significantly longer post-disposal life in the replacement market. Higher volume of components speeds manufacturing and reduces energy per-unit costs. Add the simplicity of disposing of the Hummer and the entire per-mile cost becomes lower even though the fuel economy is staggeringly worse than Prius.

And as I pointed out in the past, the energy cost per mile is unequivocally going to decline for Prius over time as the technology continues to spread across other models and the disposal/scrap industry learns how to deal with its high-tech materials and components.

http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/

Read it all for yourself. It's perfectly logical to the educated.

Then get a Schwinn Bish!

Originally Posted by Sewie

Same could be said for girlfriends.

Ouchhhh

[ChiHummer3]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

Yup, you got it. So...Why are you here anyway?
Read it all for yourself. It's perfectly logical to the educated.

Then get a Schwinn Bish!

LMAO!!!

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

Yup, you got it.

CNW ...... again?

Must be old data. In 2005 the Canadian Prius cab fleet recognized their first Prius to hit 200,000 miles on the original hybrid component system. Plans were to transition the fleet to more Prius. For profit companies wouldn't be doing this if there were cost ramifications to the transition.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839690/

http://communities.canada.com/windso...and-going.aspx

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by zoe1

CNW ...... again?

Must be old data. In 2005 the Canadian Prius cab fleet recognized their first Prius to hit 200,000 miles on the original hybrid component system. Plans were to transition the fleet to more Prius. For profit companies wouldn't be doing this if there were cost ramifications to the transition.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839690/

http://communities.canada.com/windso...and-going.aspx

You didn't read it did you. This is the educating part I was tawking about.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

You didn't read it did you. This is the educating part I was tawking about.

OK, you're right. I didn't read it as I've been conditioned to ignore anything published by CNW.

Now I've read it and had to ask myself what kind of a statement and vision is that for the progress of technological advances in the United States. With any progress, there is waste until such progress is refined and reaches it's potential. Brings to mind computers and space travel. Were these advances all for naught? So, we should just continue to design automobiles status quo while other countries engage in progressive technologies and recognize potential gains in usurping our GDP? Bad.

Concerning cost impacts and environmental impacts concluded by them, lots of assumptions and application of historical data applied to arrive at the conclusion. So, it appears the jury is still out so far as their "study" is concerned. Maybe that's why I read somewhere that they refuse to disclose their methodology for the study. It would be nice if some entity would provide solid research as I'm sure it would be helpful for some people in selecting their purchase.

[wpage]

Wait till she meets those rude Toyo sales asswipes...

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by zoe1

OK, you're right. I didn't read it as I've been conditioned to ignore anything published by CNW.

Now I've read it and had to ask myself what kind of a statement and vision is that for the progress of technological advances in the United States. With any progress, there is waste until such progress is refined and reaches it's potential. Brings to mind computers and space travel. Were these advances all for naught? So, we should just continue to design automobiles status quo while other countries engage in progressive technologies and recognize potential gains in usurping our GDP? Bad.

Concerning cost impacts and environmental impacts concluded by them, lots of assumptions and application of historical data applied to arrive at the conclusion. So, it appears the jury is still out so far as their "study" is concerned. Maybe that's why I read somewhere that they refuse to disclose their methodology for the study. It would be nice if some entity would provide solid research as I'm sure it would be helpful for some people in selecting their purchase.

Well, when someone other than CNW does such a study we'll quote from them as well.

And I dunno what it says about the US, but I know what it says for technological advances in Japan. They can do what they want, all I know is- you are buying into it.

Hummers are American and American tax monies (thank the Bush admin) is funding research for Hydrogen energy, presently being researched by GM and other American companies.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by zoe1

This has already proven to be non factual. I said it before in another thread, the Hummer was provided with a 300,000 mile life span and the Prius a 100,000 mile life span which has provided this huge disparity. But besides that, I was thinking about this last night. The environmental cost of the daily oil spills that are occurring are frequently never recognized or assessed. More frequently they are ignored and remain to contaminate the environment and the livelihoods of the people native to the land that can no longer fish for sustenance and a means of income. And, it doesn't just happen overseas to poor people, it happens here too. The ruptured pipeline in Alaska, the enormous oil spill that recently occurred due to the flooding..... So, until the oil industry gets their act together and cleans up their daily mess, the environmental cost for owing ANY car cannot be adequately assessed. It's quite logical, however, that any car that uses more gas will have a much higher environmental operating cost when this is taken into account. There's no disputing that.

I've no idea why you guys are on me so much. I've provided you with a very reasonable summary of the Prius and basically said that if she's not going to be driving it for periods of time over 10 minutes, the car may not be for her as she won't recognized the full economic value of the car. Totally unbiased review.

Maybe one day when you're off roading in an area that I helped protect from development, or you hike or hunt a pristine area that I've helped clear of invasive species, you'll appreciate me more. Sniffle.

You have to be a plant...no intelligent person says I, me, i've so much in just a few paragraphs...

Are you with greenpeace, or save the world, or are you part of gores goonies ???

the best part is that

"""U have supplied us with a reasonable summary"""